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September 29, 2016, 10:55 AM | #101 |
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that was wisdom.
regarding situational awareness, wife and i were reading in the living room and we saw fire outside. someone had set the leaves in the neighbor's yard on fire, it was heading towards the house. wow, i took off running. there wasn't a hose at the side of the house, i yelled for my wife to get a rake and i started kicking a fire break. we'd already called it in, i'd piled the burning leaves and gotten it burned out and scattered the ashes before fire crews got there. they didn't have a doorbell and hadn't heard my wife pounding on the door, and didn't even hear the sirens. the next day, he was wondering what happened. situational awareness score? me: 10 him: zippity doo dah.
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September 29, 2016, 11:05 AM | #102 |
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Lohman we disagree on the value of carrying around the house, but little else. I also think there is value in the discussion, and completely agree that there is far more to being secure than just carrying a gun. There are far too many people carrying a gun who think that solves the problem, whatever it is. Good situational awareness is always being aware and looking for solutions before they are needed.
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September 29, 2016, 08:05 PM | #103 | |
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I live 7 miles from a 1-stoplight town, and 25 miles from the nearest "city", but my next door neighbor once had an armed fugitive knock on his front door one Saturday afternoon. Luckily he looked out his window before he opened the door and saw the guy was trying to conceal a sawed-off shotgun under his coat. The cops had chased him from 25 miles away and he had bailed from the car about half a mile from here, but managed to avoid them for nearly 24 hours. Being prepared at all times isn't so much "paranoid" as it is simply prudent.
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September 29, 2016, 08:25 PM | #104 |
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Snyder: You do not mention if your neighbor was armed or not. The follow up question: would it have mattered to the outcome? Of the stories that have been shared I don't see where being armed would have mattered.
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September 29, 2016, 09:06 PM | #105 |
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Fugitives are a problem, and not just escaped prisoners. A criminal of any kind fleeing police present a danger. Running, juiced on adrenaline, and willing to commit crimes to avoid capture.
My wife and I remain vigilant regarding police presence at our home. If a siren stops nearby, or we see lights down the block, lights go out and we go upstairs. We wait it out. Not so long ago, I stepped outside and found cars parked at both ends of our street with lights off and another prowled past. Cars went through the area for hours. You know darned well that I kept my pistol on my belt. After a while, I took a light and checked out my back yard.
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September 30, 2016, 02:51 AM | #106 | |
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There was a big "man-hunt" going on for a while, even to the point of using a helicopter with FLIR, but there are so many deer around here they gave up on that pretty quickly. They found the guy the next day, ironically, hiding in the garage of a Deputy Sheriff a little further down the road Had he shown up at my house instead, I would have been armed when I went to the door, or if he had approached while I was already outside. I suspect he bypassed my house largely due to the fact that I had several dogs at the time, most in the 100-150 lb range, and electric fencing that limited access from most directions other than the main road. I think if the robber was expecting an unarmed victim, he would have been in for a surprise.
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September 30, 2016, 06:11 AM | #107 | |
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Because he looked he was calling the cops - side-arm or not. Had he not looked he was either getting shot or held hostage - I highly doubt he would have been able to successfully deploy his gun against a long gun already in his adversary's hand if he opened the door unprepared. |
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He might be able to deploy one he is carrying, especially if the assailant has no idea he's armed. I'd prefer to at least have a chance rather than to have no options at all other than compliance.
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I get you saying Snyper. I much rather he look before opening the door. Oddly while I don't carry in my house I am armed (or my wife is depending on things) when I open the door. At contact range (opening the door) facing an armed opponent there are likely better strategies than going for a holstered firearm
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I have a steel front door (required by code) as well as hurricane glass on the windows. This glass is very effective. Every once in a while there will be a news story on TV where someone is caught on the homeowner's security camera trying to break in, with the goal of identifying the criminal. These can be funny sometimes in retrospect. In a recent one, two black males are trying to break through the sliding glass doors in the back. First they hit it with yard objects and fail. The second one gets frustrated, pulls a gun and shoots at the glass, and still failed to get in. They then gave up and left. The homeowner wasn't home at the time. I only carry in the home if I'm trying a new holster or carry method, or I've been out and just haven't bothered to disarm. Last edited by TheGunGeek; October 1, 2016 at 11:33 AM. |
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Things would be bad if i felt that threatened i needed to walk around the house carrying a firearm.
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October 1, 2016, 12:24 PM | #112 | |
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There are many kinds of locksets.. commercial, builder, office, server, security, enhanced. Even something as simple as a "door devil" plate will significantly increase the strength of a door. The bottom lines is that if you want a good barrier, you have to put a little thought and effort into it. watch the youtube vids on the door devil anti kick plate.
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October 1, 2016, 12:36 PM | #113 |
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I carry in the home. I don't care a whit about anyone's feelings about it, it's a security choice I made decades ago. It is part of a layered security system including many different things, devices, and animals. I also live a few miles from the drug corridor the fed.gov ceded to the cartels a few years ago and have had running vehicular gun battles between LE and cartel members on the major street by my place. By the nature of my work, I and my family are also higher profile targets to the criminal element. Therefore, I carry at home, my wife carries at home, and we have other items available for home and travel defense.
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Like antilock brakes or airbags, to continue with the metaphor, a concealed handgun is a reasonable choice whether they are ever needed or not.
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October 1, 2016, 03:44 PM | #119 |
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The problem is, no matter how safe you are, there is a criminal out there somewhere who would look at your house and say "yep, that's the right one" and skip over all the others. Does it make sense to not remain fully prepared? I don't know what the actual stats are regarding home break ins, but I'm sure that it seems impossible that lightning would strike, metaphorically speaking.
The funny thing is that my house while we've never had a break in, I'm pretty certain that I interrupted a break in. In the time that I have gone without break ins, this house was struck by lightning. Then two of the trees on my small yard were struck as well. A fourth time, I cleaned up after a huge storm, and found a branch from a huge sycamore that I own charred and burned, about a quarter block away. So the house has been hit once, trees hit twice, and another time there is no solid evidence, but it probably happened. So, again metaphorically, I'd prefer to have a lightning rod handy for when the bozos decide that my house is the one. It may be one in a million, but seriously, really, what in the world are the odds of a home being struck not once, but three times by lightning in about ten years?
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I agree with the spirit of what Manta is saying.... there is a certain seriousness of mind that goes along with wearing a loaded firearm. It does not share the same universe with the cognitive attention given to wearing a seatbelt. Many people refer to it as being "on".. and I subscribe to that way of putting it. My home is where I get away from all that jazz and although I maintain a certain level of alertness, I am not [on] and I wont live that way at home. If a person wants to Rambo up while making a BLT in his kitchen.. have at it but we are just different kinds of people. Although I have carried a firearm for many decades and I am armed more often than not.. I have no desire to carry a gun. I do not carry out of desire, I only carry out of what I see as practical need. I think a lot of what we see in these kinds of discussions is a person constructing an argument based on what they simply want to do.
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Being on is not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of people amble through life with less experience than a cat. Like I said on another thread, a person's yard caught fire, and my wife and I saw it and put it out, the homeowner slept through the sound of the fire truck.
The major lightning strike happened while we were out of the home. We saw it, I did some rough calculations of angle and distance and said to my wife, "holy whatever, dear, that might have been our block!" We got home and the house was full of smoke. How many people have the awareness to pick up on something like that? We were about four miles away, but the lines and distance were clearly understood. Seriously, how many people would have even thought to ask that question?
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FireForged how "on" do I have to be to have a loaded, holstered 380 in my pocket or a compact 9 holstered AIWB? Is that Ramboing up? I don't give it a second thought most of the time while at home. You choose not to carry at home. Good for you. Yes, I have made a conscious decision to carry at home. Since it is not a necessity, I suppose you're right that I want to. I want to for all the reasons I've listed. Condemning someone for making that choice doesn't make any sense to me.
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I would never condemn a person for carrying a firearm, I am simply critical of a person deciding to work the problem backwards if they are concerned with someone getting into their home. If you don't want people suddenly appearing inside your home then take steps to keep them out or at least significantly delay them. As I said in my first post, if a person can enter your home in 5-10-20-30 seconds, you have already failed to a large degree.
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Fireforged has a point in this. I don't care if you carry in your home. I don't find it necessary and believe the reasoning can be articulated. Your welcome to your own judgement
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