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May 4, 2017, 09:46 PM | #1 |
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TX Concealed Carrier Kills Sports Bar Shooter
A stand up customer killed the perp who had just murdered the restaurant manager. Good on the stand up guy.
Quote: A "good Samaritan" with a gun killed an active shooter who may have been gearing up for a deadly rampage at a Texas sports bar Wednesday night, police said. When 48-year-old James Jones walked inside the Zona Caliente Sports Bar, started yelling and then allegedly shot and killed Cesar Perez — a 37-year-old restaurant manager who'd attempted to calm him down — Arlington police said witnesses were afraid they would be next. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/goo...id=HPCOMMDHP15 |
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1) Don't mess with Texas.
2) Arlington has a pretty decent percentage of CHL / LTC holders so the results don't surprise me.
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Even in Texas, the police just can't bring themselves to admit they can't be everywhere, and that we're on our own.
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May 5, 2017, 06:06 AM | #4 |
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Sports bar hmmmm
Most likely has a 51% sign meaning "illeagl to carry" even with chl. Good that he was there just hopeful he is not screwed over for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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This article addresses the 51% issue. Interestingly, the business was misposted as 51% and the patron was still carrying there anyway. Weird.
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It is good he was there, but as far as the bravado goes about Texas and Arlington, we still have a very low percentage of the population with permits and a much lower percentage that actually carry on a regular basis. Beyond that, not everyone will get involved. We don't see more of these crimes stopped because so few people actually carry and get involved. By all accounts, this sort of 3rd party/Good Sam action is still a rarity even in Texas.
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I once almost carried a concealed handgun into a 51% live music venue before realizing that the top 2/3 of the red 51% sign was covered up by a poster for an upcoming show. It's a good thing I stopped to double-check upon realizing that they didn't serve food. I'm not sure how vigilant the TABC is about enforcing the signage rules.
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May 5, 2017, 04:34 PM | #9 |
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He may not have seen the 51% sign.* The various TABC signs get posted in some inconspicuous places.
*Unfortunately, that is not entirely a defense if the establishment had been a red sign bar. While TSRA improved the law from the previous strict liability, the new mens rea still includes recklessly (i.e. If a reasonable person should have known it was a 51% establishment). |
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WI was slow to it, but I like the way they passed their concealed carry laws. You can carry in a bar, as long as you are not drinking.
Some states really create problems. Such as TX. They also said your employer can not stop you from having a gun in your car, on their property, but has to be concealed. I do know people that don't drink but go to bars to socialize. I see no reason why they can't carry a gun. You could argue as long as below say .0?%,but that is hard to judge and can shift fast. |
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TSRA worked hard to improve the language; but the best they could do was change the mens rea to reckless - which boiled down means "a reasonable person should have known...". So while I'd agree with you that the statute grants too much discretion to law enforcement, it is still a step in the right direction. And while the language still favors the prosecution, there are still many, many jurisdictions in Texas where that will be a tough sell to a jury. |
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At least Texas requires clear signage. I believe there are other states that have similar restrictions on carry in establishments that derive most of their income from the sale of booze for on-premises consumption, but don't require explicit signage. That's a real trap. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; May 6, 2017 at 01:00 PM. Reason: Typo |
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