Ruger PCC vs Kel Tec Sub 2000

Miles2014 · February 1, 2018, 08:16 AM

With the new Ruger PCC 9mm being launched, I was wondering if anybody has compared it to the Kel Tec Sub 2000. Which would be the better choice...

Thanks!

Fishbed77 · February 1, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Which would be the better choice...

For what?

The Sub2000 is obviously lighter and more compact. The Ruger PCC (though I haven't handled one) is likely better made, heavier, and reportedly very accurate.

The better carbine is fully dependent on what you want out of it.

T. O'Heir · February 1, 2018, 01:33 PM

Like Fishbed77 says, for what? Can't imagine either being worth the MSRP. $500 for the Kel Tec. $649 for the Ruger.

zipspyder · February 1, 2018, 02:19 PM

I have a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 40 cal and all I can offer is it is the funnest gun I have to shoot in my arsenal. I imagine the Ruger would be great as well but that is a lot of money to shell out!

hodaka · February 1, 2018, 03:09 PM

I have a Keltec 40 also. It has been 100% reliable and Glock mags are cheap and work. I am a Ruger fan but I’ve got the PCC spot covered.

wmg1299 · February 6, 2018, 05:58 PM

I bought a Sub 2000 in 9 mm a few months ago, and just picked up the Ruger PC Carbine today. Besides the fact that they both have breakdown/takedown features, they are not very similar. The Kel-Tec is a clever design and is a blast to shoot, but is not very comfortable to shoulder. Its great if you just want the smallest and lightest carbine.

The Ruger is more comparable to full-size carbines, but just happens to offer the takedown feature. It is higher quality and has greater capacity than the Hi-Point designs. It is also much more affordable than any of the AR-15 variants that I have seen (there may be some lower priced options that I don't know about).

It is going to come down your personal preference. I will say that if I could only have one, I'd go with the Ruger.

TruthTellers · February 6, 2018, 06:20 PM

I haven't gotten to feel a PC carbine, but the Kel Tec, gen 1 from my experience, isn't a bad carbine.

What I see coming in the future is Ruger is going to offer these PC carbines in a pistol like they do the 10/22 so people can SBR them and they'll offer integrally suppressed barrels, again, like the 10/22. Also, they already have a system where near any magazine can be used with the PC carbine, which the Kel Tec's design is limited to being compatible with only a few of the most popular pistols available.

As of right now, they're both good choices, but as time goes on and more stuff comes out for the PC carbine, it's going to be the better choice. The Kel Tec, while it's innovative, just isn't as modular as the Ruger is.

GLK · February 7, 2018, 10:33 AM

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As of right now, they're both good choices, but as time goes on and more stuff comes out for the PC carbine, it's going to be the better choice. The Kel Tec, while it's innovative, just isn't as modular as the Ruger is.

Pretty spot on in my opinion.

mellow_c · February 7, 2018, 05:41 PM

My experience with the gen 1 9mm sub 2000 has been poor. Very unreliable. Have sent it back twice and it still has ejection issues.

My experience with the gen 2 9mm sub 2000 has been better. Fully reliable, but accuracy was terrible at 100 yards with most ammo. I could not get groups to stay on a paper plate at 100 yards with the iron sights. I'm a pretty decent shot too and really took my time shooting from the bench. The last ammo i tried turned out reliable 5 shot 4-5" groups at 100 yards (if i remember correctly?) which i decided was perfectly acceptable for such a carbine, but it was still odd to me that the two other ammo types could not even hold 10" groups.

I can't speak for the Ruger, but i bet it's more accurate than the sub 2000... ?

weblance · February 7, 2018, 05:55 PM

4 lbs vs 7 lbs. I already have a CMMG 9mm AR Carbine, and a 9mm Just Right Carbine. Those each weigh 6 lbs. I don't want a 9mm carbine that's even heavier, but the idea of one that weighs 4 lbs has always had my attention.

kenny53 · February 7, 2018, 07:31 PM

I would bet the Ruger is better built then my Kel Tec 2000. That being said I am not going to sell my Kel Tec to buy the Ruger. The Kel Tec does everything I would want a gun like this to do, sending a lot ammo down range quickly.

MarkCO · February 7, 2018, 07:43 PM

I have 2 Gen2 Sub2000s in 9mm, 4 AR9 9mm PCCs and an AR10mm (DI) 10mm PCC.

The Ruger will sell a lot and it looks decent. I have not shot one yet, but reviews are decent. If the trigger is as good as the 10/22s, will maybe end up with one.

The KTs have some functionality that is very appealing. Fold in half and backpack easily, close rack and shoot in maybe 5 seconds max once in your hands. Anyone can shoot it, but small to medium sized folks do better than large men on it. Some good aftermarket parts to improve the cheek weld and trigger for about $100, so in the $500 range once you are done there.

Yep, different market segments. Look at the features, your use and pick the one that fits best.

Model12Win · February 7, 2018, 08:22 PM

The Kel-Tec can fold in half.

The PC-9 can break in half.

MarkCO · February 7, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Model12Win

The Kel-Tec can fold in half.

The PC-9 can break in half.

I've always heard...bend, don't break...

dos0711 · February 8, 2018, 05:12 AM

How does it fold when there is a red dot on it?

hodaka · February 8, 2018, 07:06 AM

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How does it fold when there is a red dot on it?

Midwest Industries has a neat little mount that folds out of the way.

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...mi-g2sub-r.htm

I put a cheap Bushnell red dot on mine that I take off with a couple of nuts. Returns to zero. The Midwest mount is $100 and my whole deal was $50.

mcb66 · February 8, 2018, 07:45 AM

I can't imagine anything the Ruger could do better than the Kel Tec to convince me to consider replacing the Sub 2000. It is by far the most versatile weapon I own.

zipspyder · February 8, 2018, 09:19 AM

Shooting a bolt action is boring. Shooting the S2K is the funnest gun I have. Nothing technical about that, just an opinion.

Do what I would do and get both!

weblance · February 9, 2018, 11:08 AM

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How does it fold when there is a red dot on it?

It cant, but as stated above, there are optic mounts that allow it to fold, and Red Lion Precision has a forearm that rotates 90 degrees, and has a pic rail for mounting an optic.

SDF880 · February 12, 2018, 09:50 PM

Big S2K fan here! I agree with others it is the most versatile weapon I own!
Gen 1 and 2 9 and 40 and never had an issue! I do own 2 Ruger 22 TD rifles and like them
and I'm sure their new offering in 9MM is good but I'll pass!

February 1, 2018, 08:16 AM	#1
Miles2014 Member Join Date: April 4, 2016 Posts: 56	Ruger PCC vs Kel Tec Sub 2000 With the new Ruger PCC 9mm being launched, I was wondering if anybody has compared it to the Kel Tec Sub 2000. Which would be the better choice... Thanks!

February 1, 2018, 01:33 PM	#3
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Like Fishbed77 says, for what? Can't imagine either being worth the MSRP. $500 for the Kel Tec. $649 for the Ruger. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

February 6, 2018, 06:20 PM	#7
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	I haven't gotten to feel a PC carbine, but the Kel Tec, gen 1 from my experience, isn't a bad carbine. What I see coming in the future is Ruger is going to offer these PC carbines in a pistol like they do the 10/22 so people can SBR them and they'll offer integrally suppressed barrels, again, like the 10/22. Also, they already have a system where near any magazine can be used with the PC carbine, which the Kel Tec's design is limited to being compatible with only a few of the most popular pistols available. As of right now, they're both good choices, but as time goes on and more stuff comes out for the PC carbine, it's going to be the better choice. The Kel Tec, while it's innovative, just isn't as modular as the Ruger is. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

February 7, 2018, 05:41 PM	#9
mellow_c Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,862	My experience with the gen 1 9mm sub 2000 has been poor. Very unreliable. Have sent it back twice and it still has ejection issues. My experience with the gen 2 9mm sub 2000 has been better. Fully reliable, but accuracy was terrible at 100 yards with most ammo. I could not get groups to stay on a paper plate at 100 yards with the iron sights. I'm a pretty decent shot too and really took my time shooting from the bench. The last ammo i tried turned out reliable 5 shot 4-5" groups at 100 yards (if i remember correctly?) which i decided was perfectly acceptable for such a carbine, but it was still odd to me that the two other ammo types could not even hold 10" groups. I can't speak for the Ruger, but i bet it's more accurate than the sub 2000... ? Last edited by mellow_c; February 7, 2018 at 05:49 PM.

February 7, 2018, 07:43 PM	#12
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	I have 2 Gen2 Sub2000s in 9mm, 4 AR9 9mm PCCs and an AR10mm (DI) 10mm PCC. The Ruger will sell a lot and it looks decent. I have not shot one yet, but reviews are decent. If the trigger is as good as the 10/22s, will maybe end up with one. The KTs have some functionality that is very appealing. Fold in half and backpack easily, close rack and shoot in maybe 5 seconds max once in your hands. Anyone can shoot it, but small to medium sized folks do better than large men on it. Some good aftermarket parts to improve the cheek weld and trigger for about $100, so in the $500 range once you are done there. Yep, different market segments. Look at the features, your use and pick the one that fits best. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

February 1, 2018, 02:19 PM	#4
zipspyder Junior member Join Date: June 13, 2017 Posts: 429	I have a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 40 cal and all I can offer is it is the funnest gun I have to shoot in my arsenal. I imagine the Ruger would be great as well but that is a lot of money to shell out!

February 1, 2018, 03:09 PM	#5
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	I have a Keltec 40 also. It has been 100% reliable and Glock mags are cheap and work. I am a Ruger fan but I’ve got the PCC spot covered.

February 6, 2018, 05:58 PM	#6
wmg1299 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2013 Location: DFW Metroplex Posts: 190	I bought a Sub 2000 in 9 mm a few months ago, and just picked up the Ruger PC Carbine today. Besides the fact that they both have breakdown/takedown features, they are not very similar. The Kel-Tec is a clever design and is a blast to shoot, but is not very comfortable to shoulder. Its great if you just want the smallest and lightest carbine. The Ruger is more comparable to full-size carbines, but just happens to offer the takedown feature. It is higher quality and has greater capacity than the Hi-Point designs. It is also much more affordable than any of the AR-15 variants that I have seen (there may be some lower priced options that I don't know about). It is going to come down your personal preference. I will say that if I could only have one, I'd go with the Ruger.

February 7, 2018, 05:55 PM	#10
weblance Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2012 Posts: 1,229	4 lbs vs 7 lbs. I already have a CMMG 9mm AR Carbine, and a 9mm Just Right Carbine. Those each weigh 6 lbs. I don't want a 9mm carbine that's even heavier, but the idea of one that weighs 4 lbs has always had my attention.

February 7, 2018, 07:31 PM	#11
kenny53 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2015 Location: My back yard Posts: 971	I would bet the Ruger is better built then my Kel Tec 2000. That being said I am not going to sell my Kel Tec to buy the Ruger. The Kel Tec does everything I would want a gun like this to do, sending a lot ammo down range quickly.

February 7, 2018, 08:22 PM	#13
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	The Kel-Tec can fold in half. The PC-9 can break in half.

February 8, 2018, 07:45 AM	#17
mcb66 Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2013 Posts: 117	I can't imagine anything the Ruger could do better than the Kel Tec to convince me to consider replacing the Sub 2000. It is by far the most versatile weapon I own.

February 8, 2018, 09:19 AM	#18
zipspyder Junior member Join Date: June 13, 2017 Posts: 429	Shooting a bolt action is boring. Shooting the S2K is the funnest gun I have. Nothing technical about that, just an opinion. Do what I would do and get both!

February 12, 2018, 09:50 PM	#20
SDF880 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 390	Big S2K fan here! I agree with others it is the most versatile weapon I own! Gen 1 and 2 9 and 40 and never had an issue! I do own 2 Ruger 22 TD rifles and like them and I'm sure their new offering in 9MM is good but I'll pass!