Huge Sale going on!

FrontierGander · December 28, 2017, 11:40 AM

Guys, check out the sales going on! The St.Louis Hawken is basically being given away at $267 for the kit! Im building another one right now, so I am all set until next year or the next itch comes along LOL.
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifle...ader-kits.html

TruthTellers · December 28, 2017, 03:19 PM

All Pietta cap and ball revolvers are $50 off at Cabela's website. Free shipping too.

AKexpat · December 29, 2017, 06:56 PM

Yeah, I saw that. Where are all the G&G's ? I am not interested in a .44 1851 faux Navy.

Looks like BPS has taken over sales.

Yeah, a Pietta Navy .36 at $200 is OK but I bought my last one from them a year ago for $170 with free shipping.

Things are changing.

Search on, friends.

Jim

Model12Win · December 31, 2017, 04:31 PM

Thanks but I'll stick with my Lyman GPR with proper iron furniture instead of the painted brass Traditions uses. Yuck.

TruthTellers · December 31, 2017, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKexpat

Yeah, I saw that. Where are all the G&G's ? I am not interested in a .44 1851 faux Navy.

Looks like BPS has taken over sales.

Yeah, a Pietta Navy .36 at $200 is OK but I bought my last one from them a year ago for $170 with free shipping.

Things are changing.

Search on, friends.

Jim

I did the same. It was back in October 2016 I think and I used a $100 gift card as well.

Glad I didn't pay more than $100 for it cuz Colt open top revolvers suck. #1858NMA4Life

I don't think after the Bass Pro takeover that we'll ever see those great deals on black powder guns from Cabela's anymore. I'm waiting for next year when 1858 Sheriff's go on sale and that will be the last time I buy a percussion revolver from Cabela's.

CLYA · December 31, 2017, 09:42 PM

Cabela's did put their Pietta steel frame 1860s on sale for $209 during the last week of November. That's $20 less than now. Better price than I saw anywhere else. I did pick one up. In fact, between Cabela's, Midway, and Sportsman Warehouse, I picked up three percussion revolvers at some really good prices this year. Just pays to watch the ads, and additional info picked up through various forums. As to the Bass Pro buy out, Cabela's has still had some very good sale prices on certain products, if it fits the need.
I've even got some killer prices at Scheels on reloading equipment, that others were not close to. Just seeing it, at the right time, I guess.

Dufus · January 1, 2018, 08:54 AM

It might be a huge sale, but I am not liking the twist rate on the Tradition barrels. They are a compromise at best for the shooting that I do.

FrontierGander · January 2, 2018, 04:57 PM

ive heard that before but its a bunch of bogus talk. If you are shooting massive 120 grain loads, that twist is to fast, but for a .50cal, its just right. I shoot 70gr 3fg goex and she will stack them together at 100 yards. It will also keep them within 3" at 100 with 90gr 3fg.

l.cutler · January 2, 2018, 05:20 PM

Yup, even the original Hawken rifles were 1 in 48". One of the most accurate and forgiving rifles I have is an Investarms Hawken with that twist.

noelf2 · January 3, 2018, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Yup, even the original Hawken rifles were 1 in 48".

Most were 1:48. In the early days, T/C had a 1:66 option for their Hawken barrels. I have one of them, bought it new, and it shoots round ball better than any 1:48 twist barrel I have. Totally sucks with maxi balls. Optimum load for mine is 80gr 2f real bp and a patched round ball. I've tried to push them with more powder, but accuracy suffers.

Hawg · January 3, 2018, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Glad I didn't pay more than $100 for it cuz Colt open top revolvers suck.

That's your opinion. I prefer the Colt design.

Jakeway · January 3, 2018, 08:54 PM

I was at Cabela's tonight, and their BP stuff in stock was really getting low. I also fear that Bass Pro is putting out these black powder revolver deals because they want to run down the inventory and stop selling them. Too bad. I live 15 minutes from a Bass Pro and over an hour from the nearest Cabela's, and I still much prefer Cabela's.

I bought the Colt replica 1851 and 1860 in last few months, because the Colt designs don't suck.

As for the discussion on twist rate, I think the rifling depth on roundball rifles is much more important than the twist rate.

Hawg · January 3, 2018, 09:08 PM

Well you can't deny a twist of 1:60 and slower will shoot round balls much better than a 1:48.

FrontierGander · January 3, 2018, 09:33 PM

Ive had all three. 1:48, 1:60 and 1:66. They all shoot equally well. With a .50cal, there is no point in shooting 100-110gr+ grain powder charges as it makes very little difference in ft lbs energy at 100 yards. I shoot the most accurate loads in my rifle. I took a lot of abuse in my younger days shooting foolish loads. Now My neck is paying for it.

Can't argue with a 100 yard group like this from a 1:48 twist with patched round ball.

Hawg · January 3, 2018, 11:10 PM

I never had a 1:48 that would do that. I do have a .54 with a 1:66 twist that will do that with 90 grain charges.

l.cutler · January 4, 2018, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noelf2

Most were 1:48. In the early days, T/C had a 1:66 option for their Hawken barrels. I have one of them, bought it new, and it shoots round ball better than any 1:48 twist barrel I have. Totally sucks with maxi balls. Optimum load for mine is 80gr 2f real bp and a patched round ball. I've tried to push them with more powder, but accuracy suffers.

I was talking about the original Hawken rifles made by the Hawken brothers in the 19th century as having 1 in 48" twist. I think more important is the depth of the rifling. Some of the rifles with shallow rifling don't shoot well with heavier loads.

Model12Win · January 4, 2018, 05:47 AM

Just wish the Euros could get the looks right... you can spot a Traditions/Spanish muzzleloader a mile away, look nothing like the real original guns.

Hawg · January 4, 2018, 08:48 AM

Quote:

I was talking about the original Hawken rifles made by the Hawken brothers in the 19th century as having 1 in 48" twist.

Some of them did. Some of them were used with long heavy conicals.

FrontierGander · January 4, 2018, 01:07 PM

TC, Lyman dont look anything close to the original Hawken either. Its just a marketing name these days. Traditions/Ardesa Hawken one one time had a really great looking Hawken but with it, came an almost 11lb rifle.

Hawg · January 4, 2018, 02:12 PM

Pedersoli makes a fairly decent looking one but a tad pricey. The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is about as close as you're going to get with a decent priced production rifle.

Jakeway · January 4, 2018, 03:06 PM

The Traditions Mountain Rifle (formerly CVA Mountain Rifle) looks almost exactly like a rifle built by J. P. Gemmer after he bought the shop from the Hawken brothers. I'd post a pic of it, but I lost my Photobucket account.

FrontierGander · January 4, 2018, 04:21 PM

Hawg · January 4, 2018, 04:31 PM

It's not bad, about like the GPR but it's no Hawken Hawken or a Gemmer Hawken. If you want a "real" Hawken it's going to be a custom build.

ConRich · March 13, 2018, 10:22 AM

That is a beautiful rifle, what is it and who made it ?

Rich

FrontierGander · March 13, 2018, 10:30 AM

That's a traditions mountain rifle

December 28, 2017, 03:19 PM	#2
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	All Pietta cap and ball revolvers are $50 off at Cabela's website. Free shipping too. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

December 29, 2017, 06:56 PM	#3
AKexpat Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2014 Location: SW WA State Posts: 490	Yeah, I saw that. Where are all the G&G's ? I am not interested in a .44 1851 faux Navy. Looks like BPS has taken over sales. Yeah, a Pietta Navy .36 at $200 is OK but I bought my last one from them a year ago for $170 with free shipping. Things are changing. Search on, friends. Jim __________________ To be governed – is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled – by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

January 2, 2018, 04:57 PM	#8
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	ive heard that before but its a bunch of bogus talk. If you are shooting massive 120 grain loads, that twist is to fast, but for a .50cal, its just right. I shoot 70gr 3fg goex and she will stack them together at 100 yards. It will also keep them within 3" at 100 with 90gr 3fg. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

January 3, 2018, 09:33 PM	#14
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	Ive had all three. 1:48, 1:60 and 1:66. They all shoot equally well. With a .50cal, there is no point in shooting 100-110gr+ grain powder charges as it makes very little difference in ft lbs energy at 100 yards. I shoot the most accurate loads in my rifle. I took a lot of abuse in my younger days shooting foolish loads. Now My neck is paying for it. Can't argue with a 100 yard group like this from a 1:48 twist with patched round ball. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

January 4, 2018, 01:07 PM	#19
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	TC, Lyman dont look anything close to the original Hawken either. Its just a marketing name these days. Traditions/Ardesa Hawken one one time had a really great looking Hawken but with it, came an almost 11lb rifle. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

December 28, 2017, 11:40 AM	#1
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	Huge Sale going on! Guys, check out the sales going on! The St.Louis Hawken is basically being given away at $267 for the kit! Im building another one right now, so I am all set until next year or the next itch comes along LOL. https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifle...ader-kits.html __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

December 31, 2017, 04:31 PM	#4
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Thanks but I'll stick with my Lyman GPR with proper iron furniture instead of the painted brass Traditions uses. Yuck.

December 31, 2017, 09:42 PM	#6
CLYA Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2017 Posts: 125	Cabela's did put their Pietta steel frame 1860s on sale for $209 during the last week of November. That's $20 less than now. Better price than I saw anywhere else. I did pick one up. In fact, between Cabela's, Midway, and Sportsman Warehouse, I picked up three percussion revolvers at some really good prices this year. Just pays to watch the ads, and additional info picked up through various forums. As to the Bass Pro buy out, Cabela's has still had some very good sale prices on certain products, if it fits the need. I've even got some killer prices at Scheels on reloading equipment, that others were not close to. Just seeing it, at the right time, I guess.

January 1, 2018, 08:54 AM	#7
Dufus Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2014 Posts: 1,965	It might be a huge sale, but I am not liking the twist rate on the Tradition barrels. They are a compromise at best for the shooting that I do.

January 2, 2018, 05:20 PM	#9
l.cutler Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Posts: 275	Yup, even the original Hawken rifles were 1 in 48". One of the most accurate and forgiving rifles I have is an Investarms Hawken with that twist.

January 3, 2018, 08:54 PM	#12
Jakeway Member Join Date: October 12, 2017 Location: Near Nashville, TN Posts: 62	I was at Cabela's tonight, and their BP stuff in stock was really getting low. I also fear that Bass Pro is putting out these black powder revolver deals because they want to run down the inventory and stop selling them. Too bad. I live 15 minutes from a Bass Pro and over an hour from the nearest Cabela's, and I still much prefer Cabela's. I bought the Colt replica 1851 and 1860 in last few months, because the Colt designs don't suck. As for the discussion on twist rate, I think the rifling depth on roundball rifles is much more important than the twist rate.

January 3, 2018, 09:08 PM	#13
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Well you can't deny a twist of 1:60 and slower will shoot round balls much better than a 1:48.

January 3, 2018, 11:10 PM	#15
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	I never had a 1:48 that would do that. I do have a .54 with a 1:66 twist that will do that with 90 grain charges.

January 4, 2018, 05:47 AM	#17
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Just wish the Euros could get the looks right... you can spot a Traditions/Spanish muzzleloader a mile away, look nothing like the real original guns.

January 4, 2018, 02:12 PM	#20
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Pedersoli makes a fairly decent looking one but a tad pricey. The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is about as close as you're going to get with a decent priced production rifle.

January 4, 2018, 03:06 PM	#21
Jakeway Member Join Date: October 12, 2017 Location: Near Nashville, TN Posts: 62	The Traditions Mountain Rifle (formerly CVA Mountain Rifle) looks almost exactly like a rifle built by J. P. Gemmer after he bought the shop from the Hawken brothers. I'd post a pic of it, but I lost my Photobucket account.

January 4, 2018, 04:21 PM	#22
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	__________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

January 4, 2018, 04:31 PM	#23
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	It's not bad, about like the GPR but it's no Hawken Hawken or a Gemmer Hawken. If you want a "real" Hawken it's going to be a custom build.

March 13, 2018, 10:22 AM	#24
ConRich Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 299	FrontierGander ? That is a beautiful rifle, what is it and who made it ? Rich

March 13, 2018, 10:30 AM	#25
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	That's a traditions mountain rifle __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/