December open Letter ATF

Don P · December 30, 2011, 10:22 PM

December 2011 open letter from ther ATF,
http://www.atf.gov/publications/news...er-2011-12.pdf

The point that caught my attention is the part of the letter that is regarding "smokeless powder" Reading it it just proves the double talk in government regulations at best will confuse more than it clarifies. Is it me or am I correct in my opinion of the letter?

I went back and read it again. I must have missed something, I give up, they win.

**Aguila Blanca** · December 30, 2011, 11:08 PM

What's the problem?

Smokeless powder for small arms is a propellant, not an explosive
Smokeless powder for small arms is exempt from BATFE regulations for explosives
Importers and manufacturers of smokeless powder for small arms must have an explosives license (even though, by definition, what they are manufacturing or importing is NOT an explosive)
Smokeless powder qualifies for the exemption (which I thought was a definition) if it is designed for use in small arms ammunition

What don't you understand?

Don P · December 30, 2011, 11:18 PM

My point is what changes have been made? If none then why place the piece in the letter? Old news isn't it if no changes have been made.

Guess they needed to fill in some space. Its like stating that, that 1964 Chevy was made in 1964, duh!

FrankenMauser · December 31, 2011, 01:09 PM

They made changes to 27 CFR, and needed a little bit of filler material for the news letter. So, they brought out the smokeless exemption.

**Aguila Blanca** · December 31, 2011, 01:23 PM

I was being sarcastic. To me, the information about the so-called exemption seems hopelessly self-contradictory. Smokeless powder is NOT an explosive, but to manufacture it or import it you need an explosives license. If you want to get the exemption, ...

Huh?

Don P · December 31, 2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

They made changes to 27 CFR, and needed a little bit of filler material for the news letter. So, they brought out the smokeless exemption.

Many thanks for cluing in a clueless one

My day is complete now for I have learned something and now know how much more screwed up the ATF is

December 30, 2011, 10:22 PM	#1
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	December open Letter ATF December 2011 open letter from ther ATF, http://www.atf.gov/publications/news...er-2011-12.pdf The point that caught my attention is the part of the letter that is regarding "smokeless powder" Reading it it just proves the double talk in government regulations at best will confuse more than it clarifies. Is it me or am I correct in my opinion of the letter? I went back and read it again. I must have missed something, I give up, they win. __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.* Last edited by Don P; December 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM. Reason: A lost mind

December 30, 2011, 11:08 PM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	What's the problem? Smokeless powder for small arms is a propellant, not an explosive Smokeless powder for small arms is exempt from BATFE regulations for explosives Importers and manufacturers of smokeless powder for small arms must have an explosives license (even though, by definition, what they are manufacturing or importing is NOT an explosive) Smokeless powder qualifies for the exemption (which I thought was a definition) if it is designed for use in small arms ammunition What don't you understand?

December 30, 2011, 11:18 PM	#3
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	My point is what changes have been made? If none then why place the piece in the letter? Old news isn't it if no changes have been made. Guess they needed to fill in some space. Its like stating that, that 1964 Chevy was made in 1964, duh! __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.* Last edited by Don P; December 30, 2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason: Added a thought

December 31, 2011, 01:09 PM	#4
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	They made changes to 27 CFR, and needed a little bit of filler material for the news letter. So, they brought out the smokeless exemption. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

December 31, 2011, 01:23 PM	#5
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	I was being sarcastic. To me, the information about the so-called exemption seems hopelessly self-contradictory. Smokeless powder is NOT an explosive, but to manufacture it or import it you need an explosives license. If you want to get the exemption, ... Huh?