Was the M-1 Carbine Banned Under the original 1994 Assault Weapon Ban?

Nathan11 · January 22, 2013, 06:22 PM

It seems like no one can give me a straight answer. For example, I own a newly manufactured Auto Ordnance M-1 Carbine. It does not have a telescopic/folding stock, or a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug, or a pistol grip. However, the new NY State law seems to suggest that if a firearm fell into the category of "assault weapon" under the old 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, it must be registered with the state police?

So was the M-1 Carbine banned under the original 1994 Assault Weapon Ban or not?

Thank You!

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/GetDyna...pg&w=652&h=556

gc70 · January 22, 2013, 07:26 PM

Was the M-1 Carbine banned under the federal 1994 Assault Weapons Ban?

Maybe.

Carbines with standard stocks were not subject to the ban because they had, at most, 1 qualifying characteristic - a bayonet mount.

Carbines with folding stocks were subject to the ban if they had at least 2 qualifying characteristics - a folding stock and a bayonet mount.

Gary L. Griffiths · January 22, 2013, 10:55 PM

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Carbines with standard stocks were not subject to the ban because they had, at most, 1 qualifying characteristic - a bayonet mount.

Carbines with folding stocks were subject to the ban because they had at least 2 qualifying characteristics - a folding stock and a pistol grip.

Thus illustrating the idiocy of the '94 Assault Weapons Ban.

Doc TH · January 22, 2013, 11:38 PM

No

RickB · January 23, 2013, 02:16 PM

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and a pistol grip.

The wire stock was attached to the bottom of the pistol grip, so is it a pistol grip? I remember seeing ARs that had a piece of heavy-gauge wire that ran from the toe of the butt to the bottom of the pistol grip, apparently to get around the "separate" pistol grip. It's just a REALLY big thumb-hole!

gc70 · January 23, 2013, 03:12 PM

Good point, RickB, which leads to another awkward split. Carbines with a folding stock and bayonet mount would have been subject to the 1994 ban, but one without a bayonet mount would not.

**Mike Irwin** · January 23, 2013, 03:58 PM

Yep, that HUGE "thumbhole" was one of the ways manufacturers got around the prohibition, and it's one of the things that led Diane Feinestine (sp?) to start crying about how the "spirit" of the law was being violated.

gc70 · January 23, 2013, 04:51 PM

It was hard to know the "spirit" of the law without being able to read Dianne Feinstein's mind to know what she thought was scary-looking.

RockSmoot · January 23, 2013, 05:00 PM

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It was hard to know the "spirit" of the law without being able to read Dianne Feinstein's mind to know what she thought was scary-looking.

I'd laugh if I weren't crying.

Armorer-at-Law · January 23, 2013, 05:14 PM

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Yep, that HUGE "thumbhole" was one of the ways manufacturers got around the prohibition, and it's one of the things that led Diane Feinestine (sp?) to start crying about how the "spirit" of the law was being violated.

Actually, it's one of the ways manufacturers complied with the law.

dlb435 · January 23, 2013, 07:40 PM

Only if it was built new. No one offers this rifle anymore, so the question is moot.

**Mike Irwin** · January 23, 2013, 10:42 PM

"Actually, it's one of the ways manufacturers complied with the law."

You know that.

I know that.

Diane didn't agree with that.

And it made her sad.

SPEMack618 · January 23, 2013, 10:44 PM

And to quote Phil Robertson, that made me "happy, happy, happy."

So is it violating the spirit of the law when I leave my truck at the watering hole and have a pledge drive me home?

Auto426 · January 23, 2013, 11:00 PM

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It was hard to know the "spirit" of the law without being able to read Dianne Feinstein's mind to know what she thought was scary-looking.

Actually I already know what's on Dianne's mind. She wants all guns banned, plain and simple. There's been an old interview of her circulating the web where she says as much.

Nathan11 · January 24, 2013, 12:25 AM

Auto Ordnance Still makes the M-1 Carbine

Yung.gunr · January 24, 2013, 09:41 AM

Well, I guess right now it really depends on where you live. I saw a document from NY State that specifically prohibited thumbhole stocks in their newest exercise in futility.

January 22, 2013, 06:22 PM	#1
Nathan11 Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2013 Posts: 4	Was the M-1 Carbine Banned Under the original 1994 Assault Weapon Ban? It seems like no one can give me a straight answer. For example, I own a newly manufactured Auto Ordnance M-1 Carbine. It does not have a telescopic/folding stock, or a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug, or a pistol grip. However, the new NY State law seems to suggest that if a firearm fell into the category of "assault weapon" under the old 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, it must be registered with the state police? So was the M-1 Carbine banned under the original 1994 Assault Weapon Ban or not? Thank You! http://www.auto-ordnance.com/GetDyna...pg&w=652&h=556

January 22, 2013, 07:26 PM	#2
gc70 Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,903	Was the M-1 Carbine banned under the federal 1994 Assault Weapons Ban? Maybe. Carbines with standard stocks were not subject to the ban because they had, at most, 1 qualifying characteristic - a bayonet mount. Carbines with folding stocks were subject to the ban if they had at least 2 qualifying characteristics - a folding stock and a bayonet mount. Last edited by gc70; January 23, 2013 at 04:49 PM. Reason: corrected link - modified re: pistol grip

January 23, 2013, 03:58 PM	#7
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Yep, that HUGE "thumbhole" was one of the ways manufacturers got around the prohibition, and it's one of the things that led Diane Feinestine (sp?) to start crying about how the "spirit" of the law was being violated. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 23, 2013, 10:42 PM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"Actually, it's one of the ways manufacturers complied with the law." You know that. I know that. Diane didn't agree with that. And it made her sad. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 23, 2013, 10:44 PM	#13
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	And to quote Phil Robertson, that made me "happy, happy, happy." So is it violating the spirit of the law when I leave my truck at the watering hole and have a pledge drive me home? __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

January 22, 2013, 11:38 PM	#4
Doc TH Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2005 Posts: 633	No

January 23, 2013, 03:12 PM	#6
gc70 Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,903	Good point, RickB, which leads to another awkward split. Carbines with a folding stock and bayonet mount would have been subject to the 1994 ban, but one without a bayonet mount would not.

January 23, 2013, 04:51 PM	#8
gc70 Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,903	It was hard to know the "spirit" of the law without being able to read Dianne Feinstein's mind to know what she thought was scary-looking.

January 23, 2013, 07:40 PM	#11
dlb435 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Posts: 654	Only if it was built new. No one offers this rifle anymore, so the question is moot.

January 24, 2013, 12:25 AM	#15
Nathan11 Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2013 Posts: 4	DLB435 Auto Ordnance Still makes the M-1 Carbine

January 24, 2013, 09:41 AM	#16
Yung.gunr Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2010 Location: Phoenix area Posts: 1,442	Well, I guess right now it really depends on where you live. I saw a document from NY State that specifically prohibited thumbhole stocks in their newest exercise in futility.