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Old October 31, 2011, 04:15 PM   #1
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Is a .22 lr quality for animal attack defense?

Such as a rattlesnake, pitbull, coyote? I don't expect it to have the firepower to stop a person, but what about these other animals that might get aggressive?
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Old October 31, 2011, 04:21 PM   #2
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how good a shot are you?
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Old October 31, 2011, 04:23 PM   #3
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Sorry, wrong section.

I am an OK shot I guess. IDK?
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Old October 31, 2011, 04:28 PM   #4
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I wouldnt use it againts big dogs. I carry a shot shell for defense against small animals like dogs and snakes. But my one shot shell is backed up by 4critical defense (38spl) in case it doesnt work. The only problem with the .22lr i see is that your shot placement better be great. My CCI shotshell have a great spread at 10 feet.
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Old October 31, 2011, 04:51 PM   #5
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Quote:
rattlesnake
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how good a shot are you?
Pretty much, they make snake shot for a reason

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pitbull, coyote
If it was all you had and had a clean shot at the skull, maybe.
I'm sure it would do the job but I wouldn't try it unless, again, it was all I had.

Sniping a coyote or loose dog trying to invade your chicken coup is one thing, but going against an animal that has had its fight response triggered and an adrenaline dump that goes with it might be a different story.

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Old October 31, 2011, 04:54 PM   #6
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Maybe I would need a 9mm for a pittbull attack.
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Old October 31, 2011, 06:01 PM   #7
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i have witnessed a single 22lr round drop a 300 pound hog like a sack of potatoes many times, shot placement is everything, this is point blank within 5 yards right between the eyes on a domestic pig
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Old October 31, 2011, 06:31 PM   #8
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Is it?

Would the .22LR work against Prey-driven/malicious canines of any type? YES, with out a doubt, the question is are you willing to let them get that close before you squeeze the trigger. In my two experiences the canines both stopped just short of being shot because I stood still and was aiming instead of running(no prey response on a stationary target). Also my family was with me so I stayed put while they backed away so it would get me first and not my family.

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Old November 1, 2011, 06:57 PM   #9
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A .22lr can certainly stop even a large critter if you place the shot in the right spot. However, even with smaller critters I'd want something that gives me a little more room for error.
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Old November 3, 2011, 06:37 PM   #10
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I carry a 22lr Ruger pistol as a "chore gun" on the farm. With a fencepost rest, I can hit the 8" gong @100 meters with 80% of my shots and 90% of those with the first shot. This is theoretically good enough to hit a coyote's chest same distance. I doubt the bullet would carry enough energy to reliably kill the animal at that range but I don't care that the coyote runs off to die later. If a positive kill is required, I'm going to get a lot closer and I won't shoot just once.
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Old November 3, 2011, 09:10 PM   #11
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Old November 3, 2011, 10:13 PM   #12
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Depends on how much ammo you got. You can take a bear out with the right shot placements, though I wouldn't do this or want this for SD if it was charging me, but say like you are in a tree and it was blocking you from escaping.
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Old November 3, 2011, 11:07 PM   #13
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Maybe a chihuahua but not a pitbull
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Old November 4, 2011, 12:14 AM   #14
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Precision head shot from a rifle with high velocity .22LR ammo, the right bullet and the proper angle - yes.

Attacking animal - no.
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Old November 4, 2011, 12:21 AM   #15
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And as far as the shot shells, better be almost point blank. They really just make noise and spread so fast. You can't hardly kill a small bird or a ray at about 10 yards or more. Around here people ( some people) shoot their coon dogs when treeing something other than coon. Just peppers them. I sure wouldn't want those for SD ammo

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Old November 4, 2011, 01:40 AM   #16
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Not that anyone here said it was, but the .22lr cartridge isn't a toy or a kid's gun. It is not a 1st tier self defense weapon, but it can certainly kill when needed.

Not meant as a huge endorsement, but don't think the .22lr isn't deadly.
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Old November 4, 2011, 01:49 AM   #17
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Killed alot of deer with a 22. Out to about 90 yds I'n the head. No they're not toys but if i had my choice and say a charging coyote , believe me not my first choice. And especially with shot shells!
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Old November 4, 2011, 03:04 AM   #18
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Here is my take on it.

Anything you can hit with a pistol in a defense situation is too big to be defending yourself from with a .22.

Can you hit a running housecat with a .22? IMO, anything bigger than a housecat or small to moderately sized dog will need more than a .22 lr to disable.

Simply put, are you expecting to be attacked by anything over 15 pounds? get a larger pistol. You WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY get hurt if you try to stop a dog with anything less.

Of course, granny smith's toy poodle may roll over and start to whine if you put a bullet in its tail, but many of the small terrier breeds will take that bulletin the spine even, and come back for more if they are really enraged.
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Old November 4, 2011, 03:15 AM   #19
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Um, well, I don't expect someone to be carrying a single shot .22 for defense against an animal. Having more than one round makes a big difference in this case. That having been said, I've had to put down a couple cats and even a Fox with a .22, I always used more than one shot. Yes, a round in the head is likely going to stop an animal, but you WILL have to be able to make a follow up shot, or more if you miss. If you HAVE to kill the animal, don't let it suffer. Animals move fast, at short range you may be better off with a contact weapon.
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Old November 4, 2011, 04:03 AM   #20
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Animals move fast, at short range you may be better off with a contact weapon.
I can say with conviction that an old school wooden tennis racket will repel a house-cat, and make him actively avoid your property. When I was about 8, my neighbors' giant tomcat attacked my pet cat and I beat him with a tennis racket until he fell into a shallow creek with steep banks and he got away.

Turns out that the cat belonged to friends of my parents, when we went to eat dinner there or whatever, that cat would take one look at me, hiss, and run. They never could understand, because he was such a "friendly" cat. He never did step foot on our property again...
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Old November 4, 2011, 05:37 AM   #21
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I know what you're referring to but you have firepower and energy confused. Firepower is the ability to but a lot of lead in the air in a short period of time. Energy is what it takes for one of those bullets to accomplish whatever it is that needs to be accomplished.
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Old November 4, 2011, 07:43 AM   #22
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My son and I own two Browning .22 seim auto pistols. Both are extremely reliable, easy to use, and have 10 round mags.

No, . . . I would not like to be faced with a charging Pitt bull or coyote, . . . if that was my only weapon choice, . . . but I really do not feel that I would be at any great disadvantage.

I can put 10 rounds out of either of them in a 3 inch circle in a very short time, . . . and 10 rounds of .22 LR hollow points is going to take the edge off their desire to fight in just about every case imaginable.

I have said many other times, too, that I would not feel at all under gunned with either of our Brownings, . . . if some knuckle dragging thug wanted to attack me and I had one of them. He would get 10 rounds of .22 LR hollow point, . . . aimed directly at his nose, . . . and there is no doubt in my mind at all, . . . whatever idea he had about fighting me would evaporate as little lead slugs hammered his head. There is no place on the human face that even a half baked blow does not hurt, . . . much less 10 of them delivered in only a few seconds.

Don't worry about the .22, . . . it can hold it's own.

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Old November 4, 2011, 08:06 AM   #23
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My experience is that the 22 is not very effective against 'yotes. Yes, it's possible to kill them with a 22. But on those that I retrieved that I had shot with a 22 I found several 22 bullets tangled up in fur. On the other hand, I did retrieve them.

(That was using a semi auto rifle)
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Old November 4, 2011, 10:06 AM   #24
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What About a .22 WMR?

I'd trust a .22 WMR far more than a .22 LR against larger dogs and coyotes. Have you considered the Kel-Tec PMR-30? For snakes, I carry a walking stick or garden hoe.
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Old November 4, 2011, 10:09 AM   #25
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I would think if you were to hit a pitbull with a 22lr chances are it would leave you alone after

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJymaLQVjsk

Cop probably hit the dog with eith a 9mm or .40 cal but I bet the dog would have the same reaction from a 22lr.

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