Just wondering about groups..

jaym_100 · November 30, 2005, 10:21 PM

What size group do you guys shoot at 300yds?

Jeeper · November 30, 2005, 10:57 PM

I think your question will depend on the type of competition. Bench-rest will be pretty damn small. Elaborate a little on the type of gun or competition

jaym_100 · November 30, 2005, 11:08 PM

with a bipod and sandbags.. I had never shot at 300yards until the other day. I shot 2 groups of 3 that were just over 1/2 inch.. i was wondering how i would compare to others.

30Cal · December 1, 2005, 10:45 AM

Prone with a sling and iron sights, I can usually cover the group with my hand.

deadin · December 2, 2005, 10:04 AM

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I shot 2 groups of 3 that were just over 1/2 inch.

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Was that 3 consecutive shots in each group ?

Dean

jaym_100 · December 2, 2005, 11:34 AM

Yeah.. I wouldn't have counted it if it wasn't

deadin · December 2, 2005, 12:34 PM

In that case you might check this out: http://www.international-benchrest.com . It sounds like you and your rifle could be competitive.

Dean

RickB · December 2, 2005, 04:55 PM

I can hit a 12" target, prone, about 20% of the time at 350 yards. So, I could hit it three times in about 45 seconds. How does that compare?

P-990 · December 2, 2005, 10:16 PM

30Cal,
Is that with the dinosaur rifle?

j/k Pretty danged nice group. Looks like your prone is solid.

My AR-15 and I will usually acount for a 97%+ score prone from 300 yards rapid-fire. Not quite as good as 30Cal's groups, but I bet he has a year or two of experience and practice on me yet!

Give me that cursed MR-63 reduced slow-fire target and I will gladly punch the X and 10-ring out of it until I run out of ammo! (That's a group of about 6".) One night I fired a 194-12X on that target. (12 of the 20 went into 3".) Wish I could do that again on demand.

1/2" 3 shot at 300 is impressive. How do the groups hold up if you add more rounds to them?

jaym_100 · December 3, 2005, 01:29 AM

I'll have to let you know when i get back home from school. I only shot 3 shot groups. When i first started shooting that day i was shooting crappy, then i changed how i was holding the rifle and was much more steady.. I would like to get into shooting more.. i really don't know much about it. I also want to learn how to use mil dots and all that stuff.

Tim R · December 3, 2005, 07:37 AM

Mil Dots? For?

Nice group there 30CAL on the Prone rapid. Nothing like a Clean!

Seeing how they are using Golf Tees and they are not falling out, looks like it might be from a mouse gun?

jaym_100 · December 3, 2005, 11:00 AM

I'm probably going to join the army and would like to try to get into sniper school. I know you have know all the mil dot stuff. I'm sure they teach you there, but i would like to know it anyway. I shot that with a 6mm Mauser... I'm not sure what all has been done to it. It is my uncles gun, he brought it over the holidays and is letting me use it.

deadin · December 3, 2005, 12:02 PM

6mm Mauser? Tell me more ! I wasn't aware that such a cartridge existed other than in an obscure German wildcat from around 1895.
Maybe it's a 6mm Remington in a Mauser action?

jaym_100 · December 3, 2005, 10:15 PM

yeah.. its a 6mm rem. on a mauser.. Sorry

Pointer · December 4, 2005, 12:23 AM

Can you sit on your ankle... the pain keeping you awake while you wait for the shot to present itself...????

Can you sleep in a puddle...?

Can you crawl 500 yards to get a better position...?

Can you go without food and still be patient...?

Can you do these things knowing someone with a gun like yours is looking for you...?

BTW congratulations... you are a very good shot...

Can you do a shot like that when you are really, really cold...?
Or really, really hot...?

Hungry? Thirsty? Tired? Sick? Scared?

Or scared sick?

Alone?

HOW SELF-CONFIDENT ARE YOU????
HOW PATIENT CAN YOU BE????

I know a lot of incredible shooters...
Several who can shoot even better than 30Cal and 30CAL is very good!

But I only know one guy among many great marksmen who MIGHT be an able, self-disiplined sniper...

He is also the best rifle shot I've ever seen...
On the 100 yard range I spotted for him and saw him shoot three shots with an M-14 with aperture iron sights and call his shots...

BEFORE he fired them...
He fired all three in as many seconds...
And his placement was specified to three "spots" INSIDE the 2" circle he was shooting at.

He was the "designated sniper" for Nancy Toul-Rossierre Army Depot... 1964-5

jaym_100 · December 4, 2005, 09:32 PM

Hey there chief.. I just said i wanted to try to be a sniper. I didn't say i was going to be able too. How the hell do you know i can't do those things.

30Cal · December 6, 2005, 01:14 PM

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Seeing how they are using Golf Tees and they are not falling out, looks like it might be from a mouse gun?

That's with an M1A. I was probably exaggerating when I said I can usually cover them with my hand--we all know what the wind will do to you in the middle of the string if you're not paying close attention.

Tim R · December 7, 2005, 05:59 AM

30 Cal, good job. Nice solid prone post.

Pointer · December 9, 2005, 03:04 AM

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Hey there chief.. I just said i wanted to try to be a sniper. I didn't say i was going to be able too. How the hell do you know i can't do those things.

I never even hinted that you couldn't do these things...

And, I gave you credit for being mature and interested in knowing what you would be "in for".

That's what I get for giving a stranger the benefit of the doubt...

RickB · December 9, 2005, 12:54 PM

I'm one of the few to have actually responded to the question; no comments?
Come on, tell me what you think.
I was shooting a stock Colt HBAR, with factory 55gr FMJ, laying on my belly in the dirt, on a "natural terrain" range in the desert. The wind was blowing, the clock was running, and I was breathing hard from having sprinted 100ft to get to the gun. I beat half the guys with scopes, so I know I don't absolutely suck.

Jeeper · December 9, 2005, 05:12 PM

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That's what I get for giving a stranger the benefit of the doubt...

No offense Pointer but your post doesnt INITIALLY come off as friendly. It comes off as attempting to denegrate him into thinking he cant do it. I doubt you meant it that way because I dont get that personality from you normally, but the first time I read it I thought it was a little harsh. After re-reading it then I can see how you meant it, but initially it came off as harsh.

November 30, 2005, 10:21 PM	#1
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	Just wondering about groups.. What size group do you guys shoot at 300yds?

November 30, 2005, 10:57 PM	#2
Jeeper Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2001 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 776	I think your question will depend on the type of competition. Bench-rest will be pretty damn small. Elaborate a little on the type of gun or competition __________________ Gun control theory - A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

December 2, 2005, 10:16 PM	#9
P-990 Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2002 Location: Only1/2WayThere Posts: 1,316	30Cal, Is that with the dinosaur rifle? j/k Pretty danged nice group. Looks like your prone is solid. My AR-15 and I will usually acount for a 97%+ score prone from 300 yards rapid-fire. Not quite as good as 30Cal's groups, but I bet he has a year or two of experience and practice on me yet! Give me that cursed MR-63 reduced slow-fire target and I will gladly punch the X and 10-ring out of it until I run out of ammo! (That's a group of about 6".) One night I fired a 194-12X on that target. (12 of the 20 went into 3".) Wish I could do that again on demand. 1/2" 3 shot at 300 is impressive. How do the groups hold up if you add more rounds to them? __________________ NRA Master, Highpower Rifle, Across-the-Course NRA Expert, Highpower Rifle, Mid-Range Prone

December 3, 2005, 07:37 AM	#11
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	Mil Dots? For? Nice group there 30CAL on the Prone rapid. Nothing like a Clean! Seeing how they are using Golf Tees and they are not falling out, looks like it might be from a mouse gun? __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

December 7, 2005, 05:59 AM	#18
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	30 Cal, good job. Nice solid prone post. __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

November 30, 2005, 11:08 PM	#3
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	with a bipod and sandbags.. I had never shot at 300yards until the other day. I shot 2 groups of 3 that were just over 1/2 inch.. i was wondering how i would compare to others.

December 1, 2005, 10:45 AM	#4
30Cal Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2002 Posts: 1,264	Prone with a sling and iron sights, I can usually cover the group with my hand.

December 2, 2005, 11:34 AM	#6
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	Yeah.. I wouldn't have counted it if it wasn't

December 2, 2005, 12:34 PM	#7
deadin Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2005 Location: Ocean Shores, WA Posts: 1,052	In that case you might check this out: http://www.international-benchrest.com . It sounds like you and your rifle could be competitive. Dean

December 2, 2005, 04:55 PM	#8
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	I can hit a 12" target, prone, about 20% of the time at 350 yards. So, I could hit it three times in about 45 seconds. How does that compare?

December 3, 2005, 01:29 AM	#10
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	I'll have to let you know when i get back home from school. I only shot 3 shot groups. When i first started shooting that day i was shooting crappy, then i changed how i was holding the rifle and was much more steady.. I would like to get into shooting more.. i really don't know much about it. I also want to learn how to use mil dots and all that stuff.

December 3, 2005, 11:00 AM	#12
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	I'm probably going to join the army and would like to try to get into sniper school. I know you have know all the mil dot stuff. I'm sure they teach you there, but i would like to know it anyway. I shot that with a 6mm Mauser... I'm not sure what all has been done to it. It is my uncles gun, he brought it over the holidays and is letting me use it.

December 3, 2005, 12:02 PM	#13
deadin Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2005 Location: Ocean Shores, WA Posts: 1,052	6mm Mauser? Tell me more ! I wasn't aware that such a cartridge existed other than in an obscure German wildcat from around 1895. Maybe it's a 6mm Remington in a Mauser action?

December 3, 2005, 10:15 PM	#14
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	yeah.. its a 6mm rem. on a mauser.. Sorry

December 4, 2005, 12:23 AM	#15
Pointer Senior Member Join Date: April 8, 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 2,559	Can you sit on your ankle... the pain keeping you awake while you wait for the shot to present itself...???? Can you sleep in a puddle...? Can you crawl 500 yards to get a better position...? Can you go without food and still be patient...? Can you do these things knowing someone with a gun like yours is looking for you...? BTW congratulations... you are a very good shot... Can you do a shot like that when you are really, really cold...? Or really, really hot...? Hungry? Thirsty? Tired? Sick? Scared? Or scared sick? Alone? HOW SELF-CONFIDENT ARE YOU???? HOW PATIENT CAN YOU BE???? I know a lot of incredible shooters... Several who can shoot even better than 30Cal and 30CAL is very good! But I only know one guy among many great marksmen who MIGHT be an able, self-disiplined sniper... He is also the best rifle shot I've ever seen... On the 100 yard range I spotted for him and saw him shoot three shots with an M-14 with aperture iron sights and call his shots... *BEFORE* he fired them... He fired all three in as many seconds... And his placement was specified to three "spots" INSIDE the 2" circle he was shooting at. He was the "designated sniper" for Nancy Toul-Rossierre Army Depot... 1964-5

December 4, 2005, 09:32 PM	#16
jaym_100 Member Join Date: November 30, 2005 Posts: 23	Hey there chief.. I just said i wanted to try to be a sniper. I didn't say i was going to be able too. How the hell do you know i can't do those things.

December 9, 2005, 12:54 PM	#20
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	I'm one of the few to have actually responded to the question; no comments? Come on, tell me what you think. I was shooting a stock Colt HBAR, with factory 55gr FMJ, laying on my belly in the dirt, on a "natural terrain" range in the desert. The wind was blowing, the clock was running, and I was breathing hard from having sprinted 100ft to get to the gun. I beat half the guys with scopes, so I know I don't absolutely suck.