.22 mag vs. .32 Long, all else equal.... - Page 3

Obambulate · November 13, 2019, 06:54 PM

Which do you choose in a lightweight J-frame?

5-shot .38sp
6-shot .32long
7-shot .22wmr
8-shot .22lr

For myself, I'd take any of them and consider myself armed.

rclark · November 13, 2019, 08:42 PM

Bigger, heavier, sub-sonic. .38 Special from that list. What's a j-frame? Just kidding... sorta. I shoot Rugers mostly.

On topic, if I had to chose, the .32 Long over .22Mag for same reason as above. That said, I only use the .32 H&R Mag and hand load it accordingly. I don't load .32 Long or .327 Mag.

SHR970 · November 13, 2019, 09:35 PM

Warning: we are discussing loading above SAAMI or CIP loading standards for the cartridge(s) discussed.

If hand laoded according to rclark's post... the 32 long in a S&W ANYTHING 1900's wins hands down. Just look at Parker Otto Ackley's load data from the 1960's to see that the 98 gr. bullet can be pushed to 1000 fps from a solid frame hand gun. Those loads were from a 3" Model 30/31. Even out of those guns we can turn the volume up to 11.

r7731525 · November 15, 2019, 01:02 AM

I use the long Barrel 22 mag for most things. but then I can hit you in the head if needed and no recoil. I can hit a can or bottle on the side of the road while driving buy at 60 MPH so a head shot standing still is no problem. No brag, just practice and fun in the deserts of NV.

tallball · November 17, 2019, 09:34 PM

I would prefer 32 long.

It has roughly 1.5 times the diameter, and IIRC, usually about double the weight.\

When in doubt, I prefer the bigger hole.

rep1954 · November 18, 2019, 12:37 PM

Something worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_m4M8CAe0

**OldMarksman** · November 19, 2019, 09:44 AM

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Hand loads get to be a very taboo subject if you go to court and have to argue self defense.

If you need to introduce gunshot residu tests to wupport your case.

But how many of the rounds you shoot end up being carried?

**OldMarksman** · November 19, 2019, 09:58 AM

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There also seems to be a group here that doesn't understand how hearing damage occurs. I believe you should spend some time reading up on the subject. There's a big difference between mechanical/physical damage to auditory receptors, and the perception (or exclusion) of sound on neurological and psychological levels.

Few lay persons anywhere understand that.

JERRYS. · November 19, 2019, 02:14 PM

ok, the 22 mag is louder than the .32 Long. back on topic shall we?

Lohman446 · November 19, 2019, 04:16 PM

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ok, the 22 mag is louder than the .32 Long. back on topic shall we?

What variables are we allowed to consider?

I mean this is not a minor difference in noise we are discussing. The 22 magnum is LOUD. For me that is not the deciding factor but its a valid variable of discussion.

JERRYS. · November 19, 2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lohman446

What variables are we allowed to consider?

I mean this is not a minor difference in noise we are discussing. The 22 magnum is LOUD. For me that is not the deciding factor but its a valid variable of discussion.

the original question.

Lohman446 · November 20, 2019, 01:59 PM

If we disregard enough of the differences, such as noise, potential capacity, bullet weight, and bullet diamter, then the choice becomes, within those parameters, literally six of one or a half dozen of the other and there is no wrong answer to the original question.

If the only caveat is availability of ammunition I choice 32

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.22 mag has some decent rounds for self defense and can be found most anywhere, but its a rimfire. .32 Long costs about the same per round, but is harder to find, however it is centerfire.

I know you listed this as a premise but availability only becomes a factor if it is virtually zero. Several years ago during one of the scares finding .22 Magnum, even ordering it online, became a real problem and that scares me in regards to the round. .32 might be harder to find locally but I do not recall an instance where one could not even order it.

If you want the answer to be the .22 it can be because there is nothing wrong with it.

TruthTellers · November 21, 2019, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lohman446

I know you listed this as a premise but availability only becomes a factor if it is virtually zero. Several years ago during one of the scares finding .22 Magnum, even ordering it online, became a real problem and that scares me in regards to the round. .32 might be harder to find locally but I do not recall an instance where one could not even order it.

If you want the answer to be the .22 it can be because there is nothing wrong with it.

This is very true and in 2016 I bought a revolver that had a .22 LR and .22 Mag cylinder. At that time getting LR was easy enough, but specific .22 Mag ammo like Hornady Critical Defense and Speer Gold Dot was impossible and that didn't change for a year.

.22 Mag was flat out unavailable for YEARS during the last panic.

That type of situation with a cartridge is probably one of the reasons I haven't bought a rifle in .22 Mag as it becomes a big paperweight.

For a single action revolver that comes with two cylinders, you at least have the option of .22 LR, but a double action revolver, unless it's a Taurus Tracker, you're stuck with .22 Mag only.

artoo · November 21, 2019, 02:16 AM

I see the virtues of both cartridges.
I do own several .22 maggie revolvers, but also own several .327 magnum revolvers.

The .32 S&W Long is fun to shoot and can do just about anything that the .22 mag can do.

I enjoy shooting the .32 S&W Longs and the .22 WMR for fun. Want to teach a new shooter the revolver basics? Both cartridges are good for that.

November 13, 2019, 08:42 PM	#52
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,622	Bigger, heavier, sub-sonic. .38 Special from that list. What's a j-frame? Just kidding... sorta. I shoot Rugers mostly. On topic, if I had to chose, the .32 Long over .22Mag for same reason as above. That said, I only use the .32 H&R Mag and hand load it accordingly. I don't load .32 Long or .327 Mag. __________________ A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, and life NRA member. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes colloquially referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. That said, the .44Spec is right up their too... but the .45 Colt is still the king.

November 21, 2019, 02:16 AM	#64
artoo Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2012 Posts: 155	I see the virtues of both cartridges. I do own several .22 maggie revolvers, but also own several .327 magnum revolvers. The .32 S&W Long is fun to shoot and can do just about anything that the .22 mag can do. I enjoy shooting the .32 S&W Longs and the .22 WMR for fun. Want to teach a new shooter the revolver basics? Both cartridges are good for that. __________________ NRA Life Member

November 13, 2019, 06:54 PM	#51
Obambulate Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Posts: 582	Which do you choose in a lightweight J-frame? 5-shot .38sp 6-shot .32long 7-shot .22wmr 8-shot .22lr For myself, I'd take any of them and consider myself armed.

November 13, 2019, 09:35 PM	#53
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	Warning: we are discussing loading above SAAMI or CIP loading standards for the cartridge(s) discussed. If hand laoded according to rclark's post... the 32 long in a S&W ANYTHING 1900's wins hands down. Just look at Parker Otto Ackley's load data from the 1960's to see that the 98 gr. bullet can be pushed to 1000 fps from a solid frame hand gun. Those loads were from a 3" Model 30/31. Even out of those guns we can turn the volume up to 11.

November 15, 2019, 01:02 AM	#54
r7731525 Junior Member Join Date: November 14, 2019 Posts: 1	I use the long Barrel 22 mag for most things. but then I can hit you in the head if needed and no recoil. I can hit a can or bottle on the side of the road while driving buy at 60 MPH so a head shot standing still is no problem. No brag, just practice and fun in the deserts of NV.

November 17, 2019, 09:34 PM	#55
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	I would prefer 32 long. It has roughly 1.5 times the diameter, and IIRC, usually about double the weight.\ When in doubt, I prefer the bigger hole.

November 18, 2019, 12:37 PM	#56
rep1954 Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Location: Mid Western Michigan Posts: 1,187	Something worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_m4M8CAe0

November 19, 2019, 02:14 PM	#59
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,969	ok, the 22 mag is louder than the .32 Long. back on topic shall we?