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Old March 11, 2012, 09:31 PM   #26
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Clement

I have a:
Automatic Pistol Clement Patent
Charles PH Clement
Liege
3934

Grips damaged (badly)
Looking for help to confirm caliber (e.g. 5mm or .25 cal)
and,
Looking for a clip.
Appreciate any help.
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Old March 12, 2012, 01:20 AM   #27
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Check www.gunpartscorp.com for the magazine. They list four, all in .25 caliber. (There wouldn't be much point in making 5mm magazines as the ammo is unobtainable.)

I have no source suggestion on the grips. You could probably make them or have them made but of course wouldn't look original (unless you can do a real good job of carving plastic).

You should be able to tell .25 from 5mm just by looking at the muzzle, or use a ruler. If the hole is about 1/4 inch (.25") it is .25 caliber. If it looks a lot smaller, it is 5mm (.18 caliber), or about 3/16th on your ruler.

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Old March 12, 2012, 07:43 PM   #28
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Clement

Thanks for the reply....appears to measure 3/16 (5mm)
Found grips, but looks like not much need to rehab the gun without ammo/clip.
Appreciate the input.
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Old March 13, 2012, 06:14 AM   #29
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FWIW, Mathews has the following Clements listed and illustrated in his book:

Model 1903 s/n 10148
Model 1907 s/n 1975
Model 1907 s/n 6168
Model 1908 s/n 9157
Model 1909 s/n 16410
Model 1909 (4 5/8" barrel) s/n 36571
Model 1909 (4 5/8" barrel) s/n 37057
Model 1912 s/n 37078
Model 1912 s/n 36402

All of them were listed as "6.35mm" and none were listed as 5mm.
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Old March 13, 2012, 06:19 AM   #30
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Found grips, but looks like not much need to rehab the gun without ammo/clip.
Appreciate the input.
Clement grips: http://vintagegungrips.net/clpigr.html
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Old March 14, 2012, 06:16 PM   #31
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Thanks

I've already purchased the grips and will continue to research the serial number. I would agree from everything I can find, the 6.35mm is about all that is out there...........I'm probably stuck with a clip-less, "ammunition-less" unique 5mm gun.
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Old May 7, 2012, 05:42 PM   #32
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Some update on 1903 ser# 7600 It marked with Siamese "Chakra" on backstrap. Also on the top strap it marked "Manufacture Francaise d'Armes et Cycles de St.Etienne"
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Old May 7, 2012, 10:16 PM   #33
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FWIW, mine is #8103, 5mm. Neither the magazine nor the breech face will accept .25 ACP.

The gun is marked on the left side "Automatic Pistol Clement's Patent" and in a semi-circle above "Liege" the words "Charles P.H. Clement". There is a Chakra on the front (not the back) strap. There are no right side markings except the serial number on frame and bolt and the normal Liege proof marks.

The recoil spring is very strong and the pistol is quite hard to cock, even for a moderately strong man; it would be impossible for most women.

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Old May 8, 2012, 05:22 PM   #34
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"Neither the magazine nor the breech face will accept .25 ACP"
It is VERY strange... Magazine should accept .25 just fine...

25ACP in Clement mag.


5mm in Clement mag.
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Old May 8, 2012, 09:41 PM   #35
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Hi, GrozaB,

Magazines might differ, but White & Munhall give the 5mm Clement rim diameter as .279" -.284", and the 6.35mm Browning (.25 ACP) rim diameter as .297" - .302". The .25 ACP will fit into my 5mm magazine, but can't be pushed all the way back.

Is it possible that the magazine shown is a .25 ACP magazine or that later magazines were made to work with either caliber?

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Old May 10, 2012, 03:36 AM   #36
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If anybody needs a Clement mag, let me know. (But it ain't gonna be cheap.)

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Old May 17, 2012, 05:26 PM   #37
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Another one for the record. Ser# 8192 5mm. No Chakra anywhere.
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Old October 23, 2012, 01:34 PM   #38
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just picked up up

I purchased it from a local guy for $125
SN 8869 good condition grips are great
Belgium on right side of gun and automatic pistol clements patent on the left side

Anyone know if it was a good find? Thanks Dave
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Old July 8, 2013, 10:19 AM   #39
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5mm or 6.35mm/.25ACP

A while ago I purchased s/n 9626 in 5mm. I can supply photos to show it is definately 5mm, I have several inert rounds and the heads just start to engage on the rifling from the muzzle end. It is missing the knob on the base of the mag and the trigger is reluctant to return to battery, but otherwise in good condition. I think this puts back the timeline for the introduction of the 1903 in .25ACP?

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Old May 30, 2015, 12:09 AM   #40
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popping in

Just picked up 9997, which is in 6.35/.25.
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Old December 20, 2023, 11:28 PM   #41
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Does anyone have a clement pistol?
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