I hope this place is not 'murican-only...

Drae · January 31, 2018, 03:14 PM

As in topic. Here over in Poland our gun laws are a liiittle different (for example allowing full auto guns under some circumstances, not having these super-specific 'short barreled rifle' or 'any other weapon' classifications and the like, the list is long). I hope nobody will jump at me when i mention that or speak about stuff that is... 'illegal' is the simplest term... in some places in 'murica, or screw up the terminology a little?

Jim Watson · January 31, 2018, 03:35 PM

I think that if you make it clear that you are talking about things that are legal in Poland, the only thing Americans will feel is envy.

Sevens · January 31, 2018, 06:12 PM

Twice in your (first ever) post you have used the slang " 'murica ", I'd say that'd be less likely to be received well than any discussion regarding oddities of American gun laws and how they might differ from one of any of a slew of other nations.

Capt Rick Hiott · January 31, 2018, 06:57 PM

Its AMERICA!

NOT murica..................

SamNavy · January 31, 2018, 07:57 PM

Come on guys, like you've never told a Polish joke before? Pot, kettle?
In any case, I wonder where he gets it from...

Sharkbite · January 31, 2018, 08:23 PM

I never make fun of the Polish. The Belgians however.... lol

WarPig1976 · January 31, 2018, 08:27 PM

If you don't mind sometimes people post jokes that start with "A polish guy, A Rabbi and a Gorilla walk into a bar" you should be good.

FYI, Murica is funny when an American uses the word,,,,sometimes. When you use the word it's offensive. Which makes me want to call my Congressmen and demand we bomb Poland back to the stone ages. I hope you don't find that offensive.

Sevens · January 31, 2018, 08:51 PM

Not once in my life have I ever told a "Polish" joke.

Opinions vary, but this slang " 'Murica " is one of the dumbest recent trends I have witnessed.

Targa · January 31, 2018, 08:59 PM

I have never even heard the term before....huh, ok.

TruthTellers · January 31, 2018, 09:06 PM

Well, the jokes about Polacks hurting themselves is true. I know from a life's worth of experience.

But yeah, America because not everybody in this country sounds like they're from Texas.

Funny, I was looking up gun laws in Europe recently and Poland stuck out because they have relatively liberal laws regarding firearms, but a very, very small percent of the population owns them and antique black powder guns are very popular.

I would think a people that had been occupied for 50 years would not have such stringent regulations with firearms be more receptive to gun ownership, like the Czech's are.

CalmerThanYou · January 31, 2018, 09:11 PM

One of those recent terms that is supposed to be funny, but is really just lame.

HiBC · January 31, 2018, 09:32 PM

As an American,I respect and appreciate the Polish People,and Poland.
And no,I do not have any Polish ancestry.
It has to do with history.
And it has to do with the messages I have heard from Polish people who have left a Poland under oppression to become Americans.....The way they love this country,and warn us to take care of what we have.

On "Murica".....If we(USA) can forgive ourselves for the messages we send to the world on "YouTube" then perhaps we should be a bit patient with folks around the world who have looked at us with interest and reached out a peaceful hand.
I did not pick up any intent to be disrespectful in the OP.
In fact,he was asking "What is OK? "

To be fair,the folks who responded to Drae that the term "Murica" might not be a good choice were giving an honest answer to "What is OK"...or not.

I suggest "USA"

Simply to avoid confusion,regarding laws,etc,it would be best to establish the context "I'm in Poland".
Welcome! Drae.

And TruthTeller:

Quote:

sounds like they're from Texas.

I hope you were smiling when you said that.

Theohazard · January 31, 2018, 09:52 PM

Welcome to TFL, Drae! I hope to see you post often, it’s nice to get perspectives on guns from people outside the US.

And I’m not even remotely offended by your use of ”’Merica”. We Americans make enough jokes about other countries, we should be able to take it if we’re willing to dish it out. Besides, if it’s good enough for my Marine Corps, it should be good enough for everyone!

Whistlebritches · January 31, 2018, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruthTellers

But yeah, America because not everybody in this country sounds like they're from Texas.

I was OK with Murica..............but this,Don't Mess with Texas Podnah

rickyrick · January 31, 2018, 10:16 PM

Murica is funny at times but it is used sometimes recently to make patriotism and love of ones own country seem outdated, backwards and somehow unacceptable.
I am now jealous of Poland and it’s careless gun laws... lol

As far as I know there are several members here from other countries that regularly contribute.

The forum is generally civil... unless someone likes Mini14s

kenny53 · January 31, 2018, 11:32 PM

Drea
Welcome to the forum. Please post often I would love to hear about guns in Poland. Consider me your buddy living in America...

Chainsaw. · January 31, 2018, 11:47 PM

Make all the dang jokes you want! We've earned em. Now if someone gets serious with the insults, they better bring a rain coat.
Any yes there are a few great folks the world over who attend T.F.L.
So, Hello! And Welcome! What should we discuss first? Perhaps I could tempt you to learn to reload, and you shall for evermore have no free time left

That, was a joke....sort of...

TruthTellers · February 1, 2018, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyrick

Murica is funny at times but it is used sometimes recently to make patriotism and love of ones own country seem outdated, backwards and somehow unacceptable.
I am now jealous of Poland and it’s careless gun laws... lol

As far as I know there are several members here from other countries that regularly contribute.

The forum is generally civil... unless someone likes Mini14s

I like Mini-14's, I just don't like Mini's half as well as AR-15's, and I like AR-15's less than half as well as I like AK's, which is half of what they well deserve.

As for Polish gun laws, according to the Wikipedia, there's a process by which in order to get a license you have to go through a background check, psychological test, pass an exam from a shooting association or the local police if it's for self defense reasons.

Apparently the collecting license is shall issue and the one where you can own the most guns and full auto ones and shoot them at ranges. The self defense license is the toughest one to get and is only may issue.

So, I guess if one lives in Poland, they should get the collectors license and carry a Remington New Model Police in .36 caliber, a spare cylinder, A .54 caliber Great Gun derringer, and an NAA Companion black powder revolver for backup, and a Polish army knife that includes a Neosporin dispenser for the lacerations they'll inevitably receive from using it.

In The Ten Ring · February 1, 2018, 12:40 AM

Can we get off the "'Merica' joke hurts my feelings" and get back to the member from Poland?

*I don't particularly like the slang "Merica" but oh well, it's slang....a lot of it I don't like such a "brah" (used to be "bro") ...."clip" instead of "magazine."

*But really, my feelings aren't so "on alert" all the time, that's how I want to be anyway.

Drae,

Tell us more about Polish laws. I was under the impression all guns were banned in Poland.

TruthTellers · February 1, 2018, 01:26 AM

I thought the same, but when I looked it up along with other European nations, they're not.

France was the most surprising. I thought that they were pretty much restricted to single shots and bolt actions, but that's not the case. In France, they're allowed to have pretty much everything we can have, except magazine capacities cannot exceed 31 rounds for a rifle or 20 rounds for a handgun as long as they're a member of a hunting club or shooting range and have had shooting classes with an instructor. Then they get a 5 year license.

I don't know what the costs and fees are, but in France they can own AR's, AK's, Glocks. They allowed to have a max of 10 magazines and 1000 rds per gun. Carry permits for handguns are basically non-existent though, which is a common theme in Europe.

The most restrictive European nations are the UK, because they ban handguns and semi-automatics except .22 LR, and Romania.

But yeah, France of all nations is one of the best to own guns. I think it has something to do with the German occupation.

johnwilliamson062 · February 1, 2018, 01:44 AM

What happened to Firepower! I think that was the Pakistani with all the fun toys names. Maybe I am confusing people.
Some of the things you seem to think are illegal in the US are in fact legal, just restricted. In most states no more restricted than general firearms in many countries.

Th big difference I have found in the US in contrast to other places I have visited is the difference in rule of law. Quite a few place EVERYTHING was illegal for almost everyone, but anyone with money could get ANYTHING. Firearms or otherwise.

blackwidowp61 · February 1, 2018, 02:15 AM

And here I thought it was just a Polish form of Ebonics. Silly me.

Drae · February 1, 2018, 10:14 AM

Thanks for the replies, people. I didn't mean the 'murica' thing offensively (though our stereotype of americans is 'cowboys' in most places), and i'm perfectly fine with the Polack jokes (as most of them perfectly show how dumb our people sometimes are).
Our gun laws are not careless. Just our people are less careless (about guns, not other things). Never heard of a school shooting in Poland for example.

@SamNavy and @HiBC, not 'he', i'm the rare thing known as a girl that likes guns.

As for our laws... well...
4. Weapon permission, given out for purposes mentioned in statute 2, allows ownership of following weapons and ammunition for them: 1) for personal defence: a)firearm: combat, gas, signaling type, in form of pistol or revolver in centerfire cartridge from 6 to 12 mm caliber, b)objects used for incapacitating people via medium voltage electricity with up to 10mA current, c) incapacitating gas launchers 2) for guard duty: a) weaponry mentioned in (1), b) signaling pistols, c) machine pistols in caliber from 6 to 12mm, d) repeating shotguns of caliber 12, e) automatic rifles of calibers from 5,45 to 7,62mm, 3) for hunting: weaponry allowed for hunting, mentioned in other statutes, 4) for sport purposes: firearms: a) rimfire with rifled barrels, caliber up to 6mm, b) centerfire with rifled barrels, caliber up to 12mm, c) smoothbore (no caliber mentioned), d) black powder guns (no caliber mentioned) 5) for training/schooling purposes: weaponry mentioned in (1) to (4), 6) for reconstruction purposes: weaponry modified for firing only blanks, 7) for collection/hobby purposes: weaponry mentioned in (1) to (6).

As you can see, it's quite a choice. I'm happy with my CZ75B (750 zlotys/just over 225 dollars), t'was an used one from forest guard nearby, gave it a pair of nice walnut grip scales and it's like new.

K_Mac · February 1, 2018, 11:57 AM

Drae as already mentioned the use of "Murica" is most often by elite types to demean Americans who have values that are not popular: Patriotism, religion and advocacy of the right to keep and bear arms being high on their list, suggesting that we who support these things are rubes who are just not smart enough to understand the underlying and more important concerns. It's one of those words that may be funny, but probably not in my opinion.

Characterizing Americans as cowboys is similar to the use of Murica. It may be funny, but when used by European folks it is generally meant as an insult even when said with a smile in my experience.

I'm not offended by the above. Your careless statement about school shootings is another matter though. School shootings and violence in our country have little to with our gun laws. It has nothing to do with the superiority of Polish gun laws or the carelessness of the American people. If you want to discuss that, I suggest you find another place to do it.

If you're interested in talking about guns, you're in the right place. Welcome to TFL.

Drae · February 1, 2018, 12:35 PM

Hey, i said it's a stereotype here not that i follow it. For me americans are normal people, maybe a bit overly patriotic, and living in the country where everything is bigger. Also thanks for the welcomes.

January 31, 2018, 03:14 PM	#1
Drae Member Join Date: January 31, 2018 Location: Somewhere in western Poland Posts: 46	I hope this place is not 'murican-only... As in topic. Here over in Poland our gun laws are a liiittle different (for example allowing full auto guns under some circumstances, not having these super-specific 'short barreled rifle' or 'any other weapon' classifications and the like, the list is long). I hope nobody will jump at me when i mention that or speak about stuff that is... 'illegal' is the simplest term... in some places in 'murica, or screw up the terminology a little?

January 31, 2018, 06:12 PM	#3
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Twice in your (first ever) post you have used the slang " 'murica ", I'd say that'd be less likely to be received well than any discussion regarding oddities of American gun laws and how they might differ from one of any of a slew of other nations. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 31, 2018, 06:57 PM	#4
Capt Rick Hiott Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 376	Its AMERICA! NOT murica.................. __________________ Capt Rick Hiott Charleston,SC

January 31, 2018, 08:51 PM	#8
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Not once in my life have I ever told a "Polish" joke. Opinions vary, but this slang " 'Murica " is one of the dumbest recent trends I have witnessed. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

January 31, 2018, 09:06 PM	#10
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,883	Well, the jokes about Polacks hurting themselves is true. I know from a life's worth of experience. But yeah, America because not everybody in this country sounds like they're from Texas. Funny, I was looking up gun laws in Europe recently and Poland stuck out because they have relatively liberal laws regarding firearms, but a very, very small percent of the population owns them and antique black powder guns are very popular. I would think a people that had been occupied for 50 years would not have such stringent regulations with firearms be more receptive to gun ownership, like the Czech's are. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

January 31, 2018, 03:35 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	I think that if you make it clear that you are talking about things that are legal in Poland, the only thing Americans will feel is envy.

January 31, 2018, 07:57 PM	#5
SamNavy Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2011 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 433	Come on guys, like you've never told a Polish joke before? Pot, kettle? In any case, I wonder where he gets it from...

January 31, 2018, 08:23 PM	#6
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	I never make fun of the Polish. The Belgians however.... lol

January 31, 2018, 08:27 PM	#7
WarPig1976 Member Join Date: June 13, 2014 Location: Delaware County, Pennsylvania Posts: 31	If you don't mind sometimes people post jokes that start with "A polish guy, A Rabbi and a Gorilla walk into a bar" you should be good. FYI, Murica is funny when an American uses the word,,,,sometimes. When you use the word it's offensive. Which makes me want to call my Congressmen and demand we bomb Poland back to the stone ages. I hope you don't find that offensive.

January 31, 2018, 08:59 PM	#9
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	I have never even heard the term before....huh, ok.

January 31, 2018, 09:11 PM	#11
CalmerThanYou Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2017 Posts: 323	One of those recent terms that is supposed to be funny, but is really just lame.

January 31, 2018, 09:52 PM	#13
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Welcome to TFL, Drae! I hope to see you post often, it’s nice to get perspectives on guns from people outside the US. And I’m not even remotely offended by your use of ”’Merica”. We Americans make enough jokes about other countries, we should be able to take it if we’re willing to dish it out. Besides, if it’s good enough for my Marine Corps, it should be good enough for everyone! __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

January 31, 2018, 10:16 PM	#15
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Murica is funny at times but it is used sometimes recently to make patriotism and love of ones own country seem outdated, backwards and somehow unacceptable. I am now jealous of Poland and it’s careless gun laws... lol As far as I know there are several members here from other countries that regularly contribute. The forum is generally civil... unless someone likes Mini14s

January 31, 2018, 11:32 PM	#16
kenny53 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2015 Location: My back yard Posts: 971	Drea Welcome to the forum. Please post often I would love to hear about guns in Poland. Consider me your buddy living in America...

January 31, 2018, 11:47 PM	#17
Chainsaw. Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2015 Location: Issaquah WA. Its a dry rain. Posts: 1,774	Make all the dang jokes you want! We've earned em. Now if someone gets serious with the insults, they better bring a rain coat. Any yes there are a few great folks the world over who attend T.F.L. So, Hello! And Welcome! What should we discuss first? Perhaps I could tempt you to learn to reload, and you shall for evermore have no free time left That, was a joke....sort of... __________________ Just shoot the damn thing.

February 1, 2018, 12:40 AM	#19
In The Ten Ring Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2018 Posts: 380	Can we get off the "'Merica' joke hurts my feelings" and get back to the member from Poland? I don't particularly like the slang "Merica" but oh well, it's slang....a lot of it I don't like such a "brah" (used to be "bro") ...."clip" instead of "magazine." But really, my feelings aren't so "on alert" all the time, that's how I want to be anyway. Drae, Tell us more about Polish laws. I was under the impression all guns were banned in Poland. Last edited by In The Ten Ring; February 1, 2018 at 12:49 AM.

February 1, 2018, 01:26 AM	#20
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,883	I thought the same, but when I looked it up along with other European nations, they're not. France was the most surprising. I thought that they were pretty much restricted to single shots and bolt actions, but that's not the case. In France, they're allowed to have pretty much everything we can have, except magazine capacities cannot exceed 31 rounds for a rifle or 20 rounds for a handgun as long as they're a member of a hunting club or shooting range and have had shooting classes with an instructor. Then they get a 5 year license. I don't know what the costs and fees are, but in France they can own AR's, AK's, Glocks. They allowed to have a max of 10 magazines and 1000 rds per gun. Carry permits for handguns are basically non-existent though, which is a common theme in Europe. The most restrictive European nations are the UK, because they ban handguns and semi-automatics except .22 LR, and Romania. But yeah, France of all nations is one of the best to own guns. I think it has something to do with the German occupation. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

February 1, 2018, 01:44 AM	#21
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	What happened to Firepower! I think that was the Pakistani with all the fun toys names. Maybe I am confusing people. Some of the things you seem to think are illegal in the US are in fact legal, just restricted. In most states no more restricted than general firearms in many countries. Th big difference I have found in the US in contrast to other places I have visited is the difference in rule of law. Quite a few place EVERYTHING was illegal for almost everyone, but anyone with money could get ANYTHING. Firearms or otherwise.

February 1, 2018, 02:15 AM	#22
blackwidowp61 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2017 Location: laiceps erehwon Posts: 165	And here I thought it was just a Polish form of Ebonics. Silly me. __________________ If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! If you need a real belly laugh, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCrJleggrI

February 1, 2018, 10:14 AM	#23
Drae Member Join Date: January 31, 2018 Location: Somewhere in western Poland Posts: 46	Thanks for the replies, people. I didn't mean the 'murica' thing offensively (though our stereotype of americans is 'cowboys' in most places), and i'm perfectly fine with the Polack jokes (as most of them perfectly show how dumb our people sometimes are). Our gun laws are not careless. Just our people are less careless (about guns, not other things). Never heard of a school shooting in Poland for example. @SamNavy and @HiBC, not 'he', i'm the rare thing known as a girl that likes guns. As for our laws... well... 4. Weapon permission, given out for purposes mentioned in statute 2, allows ownership of following weapons and ammunition for them: 1) for personal defence: a)firearm: combat, gas, signaling type, in form of pistol or revolver in centerfire cartridge from 6 to 12 mm caliber, b)objects used for incapacitating people via medium voltage electricity with up to 10mA current, c) incapacitating gas launchers 2) for guard duty: a) weaponry mentioned in (1), b) signaling pistols, c) machine pistols in caliber from 6 to 12mm, d) repeating shotguns of caliber 12, e) automatic rifles of calibers from 5,45 to 7,62mm, 3) for hunting: weaponry allowed for hunting, mentioned in other statutes, 4) for sport purposes: firearms: a) rimfire with rifled barrels, caliber up to 6mm, b) centerfire with rifled barrels, caliber up to 12mm, c) smoothbore (no caliber mentioned), d) black powder guns (no caliber mentioned) 5) for training/schooling purposes: weaponry mentioned in (1) to (4), 6) for reconstruction purposes: weaponry modified for firing only blanks, 7) for collection/hobby purposes: weaponry mentioned in (1) to (6). As you can see, it's quite a choice. I'm happy with my CZ75B (750 zlotys/just over 225 dollars), t'was an used one from forest guard nearby, gave it a pair of nice walnut grip scales and it's like new.

February 1, 2018, 11:57 AM	#24
K_Mac Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2010 Posts: 1,850	Drae as already mentioned the use of "Murica" is most often by elite types to demean Americans who have values that are not popular: Patriotism, religion and advocacy of the right to keep and bear arms being high on their list, suggesting that we who support these things are rubes who are just not smart enough to understand the underlying and more important concerns. It's one of those words that may be funny, but probably not in my opinion. Characterizing Americans as cowboys is similar to the use of Murica. It may be funny, but when used by European folks it is generally meant as an insult even when said with a smile in my experience. I'm not offended by the above. Your careless statement about school shootings is another matter though. School shootings and violence in our country have little to with our gun laws. It has nothing to do with the superiority of Polish gun laws or the carelessness of the American people. If you want to discuss that, I suggest you find another place to do it. If you're interested in talking about guns, you're in the right place. Welcome to TFL. __________________ "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin

February 1, 2018, 12:35 PM	#25
Drae Member Join Date: January 31, 2018 Location: Somewhere in western Poland Posts: 46	Hey, i said it's a stereotype here not that i follow it. For me americans are normal people, maybe a bit overly patriotic, and living in the country where everything is bigger. Also thanks for the welcomes.