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Old April 13, 2021, 12:20 PM   #26
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Old April 13, 2021, 01:18 PM   #27
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I have a qty of WW2 surplus H-4831 that still smells like ether and looks good.
But I tend not to use a "dead end" supply of powder.
This was given to me by a trusted friend.
My accumulation of powder varieties comes from load development.

Once I have a load or two for a given firearm that is optimum,I use it.

The rifle is zeroed and ready.It always shoots the same.

A major beef I have with shooting factory loads is being at the mercy of what I can find on the shelf.Winchester 165 gr this month,Federal 150 gr next month?
And burn at least a half box re-zeroing? No thanks!!

So I use fresh,newly manufactured H-4831 SC. I just can't bring myself to dump my stash of Old 4831.
Old Louis is long gone..
He preferred I bring a bleach bottle,but he'd sell me "takeout" bulk powder in a brown paper bag . A dollar sixty a pound for H-4831!!.
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Old April 13, 2021, 01:45 PM   #28
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I used up my old supply of H4831 to settle new barrels, along with heavy for caliber bullets I had accumulated by various means.
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Old April 13, 2021, 03:37 PM   #29
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I had some BLC-2 from the mid 80's, and just recently finished it off. It shot fine, and was stored inside the house the entire time. NO bad smell and measured out just fine.

Edited to correct/ indicate the correct powder I was referring to . Being old is hell sometimes. Originally stated CFE223, but it is BLC-2.

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Old April 13, 2021, 05:16 PM   #30
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I had some CFE223 from the mid 80's, and just recently finished it off. It shot fine, and was stored inside the house the entire time. NO bad smell and measured out just fine.
I thought CFE223 wasn't introduced until 2012 or so. Sure you didn't mean another powder in a similar canister?
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Old April 13, 2021, 08:03 PM   #31
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Popst #17--

160 pound keg--I bet some govt agency wouldnt like that size jug..

I have metal cans of 3031 and a couple others. Ill use t up till I quit loading and then my son will take it. Some of those cans are priced less than $5... last week the only p0wder on the gunshop shelves was $40 and $34.

I have Nosler bullets priced $6-wish I had a few hundred more, esp those 6 mm Zipedos.
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Old April 13, 2021, 09:58 PM   #32
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I just loaded some 1970 vintage Unique for my 45 Colt. To check on it's goodness, I put some in an ash tray and lit 'er up. Still mahvelous after all those years.
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Old April 14, 2021, 01:16 AM   #33
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Funny thing is you never know how long powder is going to last. I have some seriously old cans of powder I bought from an estate many years ago and most of it was 1960's vintage and all of it's good. Including one can of 4895.

On the other hand a can of 4895 I bought around 2002 was bad by 2010 when I finally got around to opening it. However it's the only can of powder I've ever had go bad. Still have a partial keg of Red Dot probably from the early 1970s that I'm slowly using up...

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Old April 14, 2021, 11:14 AM   #34
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I corrected my original post. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old April 14, 2021, 12:58 PM   #35
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I keep and use it until it is used up. Recently I just finished some powder that I purchased over 20 years ago. H4895 when it came in a cardboard canister. Worked just fine still had that nice aromatic smell to it. I still have and use IMR powders that came in the square metal containers. Some are still sealed. I even have primers that i got over 20 years ago. They still go bang.
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Old April 21, 2021, 03:45 AM   #36
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Still got 5 lbs of Alliant Clay Dot from 2012 because it was all I could find for 9mm during Obama presidency #1. Now that we are in Obama presidency #2 I'm thinking it wasn't such a bad idea to stock up. Works fine, keep it dry, works wonders in light bullet 9mm loads.
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Old April 21, 2021, 08:50 AM   #37
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Keep it cool & dry it will last forever, or until you use it up.
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Old April 22, 2021, 08:17 AM   #38
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Keep it cool & dry it will last forever, or until you use it up.
A quick perusal of all the recall notices for premature deterioration in recent years say otherwise. You can read about them in the recall sticky near the top of the first page in this forum. Always check your powder just before loading it. It just takes a few seconds to sniff it and look at it as you pour it out.
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Old April 22, 2021, 03:59 PM   #39
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I've been using cans of Alcan #5 during this and the previous powder shortage , bought it in the early 1970's ... that's 48 years and the powder is still sweet smelling with no sign of "red rust" ...I'm gonna Keep On Keepin On with the Alcan #5 ... should have bought a few more canister's .
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Old April 22, 2021, 05:15 PM   #40
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I've also got a canister of AL-5 that shows no sign of stopping.

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Old April 22, 2021, 11:19 PM   #41
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I use mine until the jug is empty , I've tried using it longer but the cases don't fill well at that point
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Old April 23, 2021, 10:43 AM   #42
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Alliant powder has a sample of one of the first runs of Unique from 1899. I read, but have never confirmed that they keep it submerged in water and periodically dry out and test a sample to see if it is still good, and so far, after 122 years, it still is.

But that sort of longevity is dependent on processes that can vary in their effectiveness. How perfectly acid-neutralized were the lots of nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin that were used? How much stabilizer was added (assuming water hasn't taken that role over)?

Additionally, why, contrary to much of the long life reported for so many powders, did so many lots of IMR 4007 SC start to break down early and have to be recalled starting in 2015 until, finally, all past lots were finally recalled in 2019? Why did Accurate have recalls on their 2495, 4064, and 4350 made before 2016 in that same year? The explanation of blending with over-age old lots for burn rate control wouldn't seem likely to cross three different numbers in Accurate's case, so something in their original compounding had to have been off; too little stabilizer or overly acidic components or some such thing. And there have been other powders in other years.

Whatever causes a powder to go bad, it usually seems to be lot-related. Some lots are going to be great for an extremely long period of time, and others are going to drop dead prematurely. The question is, how do you know which one you have of which until you get there? You don't. So you keep in the habit of rechecking them whenever you load.
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Old April 23, 2021, 11:07 AM   #43
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Alliant powder has a sample of one of the first runs of Unique from 1899. I read, but have never confirmed that they keep it submerged in water and periodically dry out and test a sample to see if it is still good, and so far, after 122 years, it still is.
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I actually emailed them about that back in 2010. The conversation is copied verbatim below:

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"We do have some very old Unique, over 100 years old, that we keep in
distilled water. We have tested it on occasion, but seldom, simply out
of curiosity. Hercules saved this powder and we will continue to
preserve it. Thanks for your note and have a nice day.

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Consumer Service Manager
Alliant Powder Company"
I then asked if "keep in distilled water" meant the actual powder or simply submerged in a container;
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"The powder is wet.

We do not recommend this type of storage with modern powder. The coatings and deterrents are different today than at that time. Thanks for your return note.

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Old April 23, 2021, 11:50 AM   #44
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Thanks Brian. That's probably what I am remembering.
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Old April 23, 2021, 12:02 PM   #45
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I working on a 12# can of Red Dot that the red dot's are fading in. No idea how old it is but all metal can and guy that bought it originally died Back in the 1950's some time. 12# at the light loads I use with it, I will never run out. 7000grs to a pound x 12 = 84,000grs Divide that by 13grs and I get 64,615,385 rounds of 180gr 30-06 loads! Also had a suit case full of Super Ballistite that spent a long time looking for data for. Used 2 1/2grs in my 32 long with a 90gr bullet. That was the only load I ever found for it, no body even mention's it! No idea how old it it!
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Old April 23, 2021, 12:08 PM   #46
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There was an illustrated gunzine article where a Hercules rep took some of that old powder out of its water jar, dried, loaded, and shot it.
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Old April 23, 2021, 12:31 PM   #47
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I working on a 12# can of Red Dot that the red dot's are fading in. No idea how old it is but all metal can and guy that bought it originally died Back in the 1950's some time. 12# at the light loads I use with it, I will never run out. 7000grs to a pound x 12 = 84,000grs Divide that by 13grs and I get 64,615,385 rounds of 180gr 30-06 loads! Also had a suit case full of Super Ballistite that spent a long time looking for data for. Used 2 1/2grs in my 32 long with a 90gr bullet. That was the only load I ever found for it, no body even mention's it! No idea how old it it!
When I divide 84,000 by 13 I get 6,461.5 and change.
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Old April 24, 2021, 10:30 AM   #48
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Old April 25, 2021, 01:57 PM   #49
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I preserved a photo copy of the Unique article with a picture of the glass jar (which is no longer on the web IIR)

But the last time I posted an image it was yanked, so I don’t post photos or links here anymore.
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Old April 27, 2021, 02:54 PM   #50
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I keep my powder until i need it to load cartridges.
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