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Old March 29, 2021, 12:38 PM   #51
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a 45colt ruger can generate 1400 foot pounds of energy, while a 357 tops out at around 800. additionally there are 22lr chamber sleeves for 45 colt
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Old March 29, 2021, 01:01 PM   #52
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If I had to choose but one, it would probably be the 45LC. But only in a Ruger handgun. You can hot load the 45LC to about 44 magnum power levels and fire them out of the Ruger's. But since you don't reload you would be limited to a round firing a 250/255 grain lead bullet at about 850 fps. I don't own a 45LC so I'm not sure what types of commercial ammo are available. But that is what was available back if the day. Good luck.
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Old March 29, 2021, 06:00 PM   #53
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Old March 30, 2021, 08:02 PM   #54
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No there isn't.

357 mag for the most shooting versatility win from mouse fart .38 spcl to heavy hitting 357 mag. Unless your a purist and have a warm fuzzy love for the .45 colt , there's no niche shooting experience that it fills (just my opinion)
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Old March 31, 2021, 07:18 AM   #55
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a 45colt ruger can generate 1400 foot pounds of energy, while a 357 tops out at around 800. additionally there are 22lr chamber sleeves for 45 colt
I would not make that a factor in a purchasing decision at all. IMO, the two round ball "duplex" loads would be a better factor as two 140gr balls is significantly more effective than two 80 gr balls.
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Old March 31, 2021, 12:08 PM   #56
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As much as I love my .357 revolvers and carbine, the one big drawback it has that most people seem to overlook is the extremely sharp crack. It has far more obnoxious muzzle blast than even Ruger level .45 Colt loads.

It's only mildly irritating at the range with good ear protection, but out in the woods with no ear protection it could be a big factor for a lot of people.
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Old March 31, 2021, 01:39 PM   #57
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Yep. First deer I shot with a .357 Magnum, my ears were ringing for 2 days.

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Old April 6, 2021, 10:35 AM   #58
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The 45 Colt can be loaded to almost any power level you want, from mild to wild.
Same can be accomplished with the 357.
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Old April 6, 2021, 11:42 AM   #59
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Post #40 is where I'm leaning towards. Like the Ruger BH, I have a Pietta in .45 Colt with the .45 acp cylinder; no moon clips. I like those .45 Colts better for plinking and protection while camping, fishing. They just seem easier to shoot. Guess its why I have three of 'em.
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Old April 6, 2021, 12:02 PM   #60
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Something a .357 can do that a .45 Colt cannot do is a six round J frame size revolver that you can pocket carry for woods protection. (Kimber K6)
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Old April 6, 2021, 12:16 PM   #61
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Something a .357 can do that a .45 Colt cannot ...
This is the exact opposite of what the OP asked.
Not helpful.
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Old April 6, 2021, 01:11 PM   #62
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It is very helpful in helping the OP to determine his options, one he might not have thought of.
I could have wrote:
The .45 colt CAN not fit into a pocket like the .357 can. This would according to your critia fit the OP's question of what CAN a .45 Colt do that a .357 cannot do.
Six of one, half dozen of the other, glass half empty or glass half full criteria.

Jeez....Edited to fit into the requirements of the staff criteria.
A .45 colt revolver CAN require the pocket size of godzilla versa a Kimber K6 6 shot .357 magnum which can fit into jeans pockets. There, I fixed it.
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Old April 6, 2021, 02:59 PM   #63
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45 colt (Ruger only +p+) loads can, in Ruger RedHawks, Super RedHawks, and Super Blackhawks, approach the power of the .480 Ruger and .454 Casull cartridges. Loaded with heavy hard cast hand loads at near maximum loads, the 45 (long) Colt has been used to dispatch every dangerous game animal on the planet. .357 can’t do that. I know the OP doesn’t need that kind of power, but it’s there in the 45 Colt
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Old April 8, 2021, 04:21 PM   #64
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I have the Ruger 45 convertible and ....usually.... shoot 45 ACP with 185 gr wadcutters and 3.5 gr Bullseye.



My ears stay happy with that.
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Old April 9, 2021, 11:04 AM   #65
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Hammer not true.

The data I see for Ruger only 45 colt loads they get close to 1200 FT LBS, while some 357 loads can approach 1100 FT LBS using standard loading data.
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Old April 9, 2021, 11:29 AM   #66
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Elmer Keith has killed every North American game with the 357 mag, 41 mag and 44 mag.
I perfer any magnum but that’s my personal choice.
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Old April 11, 2021, 02:38 AM   #67
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I am under the impression that the calculations used to come up with foot-pounds was discredited years ago as being biased in favor of velocity while discounting bullet weight.
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Old April 11, 2021, 01:29 PM   #68
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Since Elmer was brought up, quoting from his Sixguns book:

"The .44s and .45s will do anything the [.357] magnum will and will do it better, with their 250 grain bullet loads at 1000 to 1200 feet per second velocity. The 250 grain slugs will cut a larger hole and will allow more haemorrhage... We prefer the .44 Special and the .45 Colt to the .357"

At the time of that writing the .44 Magnum wasn't in the cards yet.
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Old April 11, 2021, 02:19 PM   #69
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Yep. With a handgun, a big hole beats a smaller hole every time, provided you get complete penetration. As I said previously, have yet to recover a .45 caliber bullet from a deer.

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Old April 12, 2021, 03:52 AM   #70
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Since Elmer was brought up, quoting from his Sixguns book:

"The .44s and .45s will do anything the [.357] magnum will and will do it better, with their 250 grain bullet loads at 1000 to 1200 feet per second velocity. The 250 grain slugs will cut a larger hole and will allow more haemorrhage... We prefer the .44 Special and the .45 Colt to the .357"

At the time of that writing the .44 Magnum wasn't in the cards yet.
I don't think anyone is trying to make the argument that .357 is better than .44 Mag and .45 Colt equivalent pressure loads in performance. It's a question of what they do that .357's not doing and it would all basically come down to hunting game of a certain size and the distances involved.
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Old April 12, 2021, 04:39 PM   #71
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To me you have to look at two perspectives, power and platform. The 45 Colt is more powerful and would be better suited compared to the 357 Magnum in case of animal threats, that was simple enough.

Platform though, I know there is a coolness to the 45 colt + 45 acp convertible Rugers and I've had at least a half dozen of them, but you will get undersized cylinder throats and a barrel constriction in every single Ruger .45 colt blackhawk (even the Redhawk has this). It's detrimental to accuracy, now I'm not saying it won't be mildly accurate, but rarely are they tack drivers. These flaws can be fixed, for a price, but I have to question why they're there in the first place. Regarding platform, a 357 Blackhawk is going to be more accurate.

If you want power and accuracy, I'd get a 4 5/8" or 5 1/2" Super Blackhawk in 44 Magnum, I've never had one that wasn't highly accurate.
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Old April 12, 2021, 05:30 PM   #72
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If its a back up hunting gun for protection from bears, wolves, or cougars; get bear spray.
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Old April 12, 2021, 08:28 PM   #73
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..but you will get undersized cylinder throats and a barrel constriction in every single Ruger .45 colt blackhawk..
maybe mine is like this, I don't know, never bothered to measure. What I do know is that it puts 5 shots in one hole and one shot next to that hole at 50ft, and 5 of six will reliable ring the 200yd gong with #6 being about a foot off. From my hand, offhand, not a rest.

A gun may be more accurate than that, but I'm not, so I don't care.
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Old April 13, 2021, 09:15 AM   #74
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The .45 is more pleasant to shoot without hearing protection.
That's a really, really bad idea. The acoustic trauma produced by the .45 Colt is more than adequate to harm your hearing. You might not recognize it immediately, but it's cumulative. And irreversible.
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"I am under the impression that the calculations used to come up with foot-pounds was discredited years ago as being biased in favor of velocity while discounting bullet weight. "

That's the first I've heard that, and I can't find anything on the web to indicate that.

The standard formula also doesn't discount bullet weight, it most certainly is part of the formula.
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