Revolver Shotgun

BigMikey76 · November 27, 2020, 02:09 PM

I tend to be long winded,, so feel free to skip to the end if you just want the meat and taters.

I really like the idea of a revolver shotgun - the same basic benefits of a semi auto with the reliability of a revolver - seems like a combo that dreams are made of...

I have looked at the Rossi Circuit Judge many times, but I have always ended up passing on it for 2 main reasons:

1 - All the reviews and videos I have seen give it very low marks for accuracy as a rifle and spread as a shotgun (typical of anything that is trying to do 2 things in 1 - they end up doing both things poorly)
2- Its just a bit goofy and awkward looking.

Enter the Landor Arms TSX 804.
It looks like a long gun with a revolving cylinder rather than a handgun with an extended barrel and an afterthought stock. It has a smooth bore and a bead front sight, as a shotgun should, and it comes with multiple chokes. All of these things say to me that it should perform far better than the Rossi, but I have seen very little in the way of reliable reviews or videos.

Long story short (too late), does anyone know anything about the Landor Arms TSX 804 revolving cylinder shotgun? Any thoughts or insights are welcome.

FITASC · November 27, 2020, 04:49 PM

And does that cylinder have a gap to allow hot gases to hit your arm?

Scorch · November 27, 2020, 09:26 PM

Revolving long arms have never been well received by the buying public. Holding a long arm requires you to place your left hand (or right hand, if left handed) ahead of the receiver. When fired, the barrel-cyinder gap of revolving long arms allows high pressure gases to escape in the direction of your forward arm, risking injury. The Rossi tries to skirt this issue by putting a gas shield under the barrel-cylinder gap, but IME it generally redirects the gases and unburnt powder that exit the barrel-cylinder gap towards your hand and your face.

Back in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, Colt and Remington both sold what was called a "scavenger's rifle", a rifle version of their revolvers targeted at military scavengers (gathered food for the armies). I don't know how many were made or used, but it was generally disliked by troops, and is fairly rare to find in museums these days

BigMikey76 · November 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

The gap does have a shield to redirect away from your support arm. The many reviews of the Circuit Judge and the one short video I have seen on this one give fairly positive feedback about the effectiveness of the shield.

I don't necessarily want to take the review of this shotgun at face value, as I believe it was more of a paid advertisement, but I have seen many independent videos on YouTube regarding the Rossi, and I doubt that the shield on this is all that different.

Drm50 · November 28, 2020, 10:56 AM

I can vouch personally for the circuit judge. It is a piece of useless monkey poo. Waste of 45Colt ammo and not practical for anything even with 410 shells. This is another novelty gun for show & tell at range.

stuckinthe60s · November 28, 2020, 11:00 AM

the market is trying to reinvent a failure. pass on it.

smee78 · November 28, 2020, 12:20 PM

When ever I think of a revolver shotgun, I think of a street sweeper.

Jim Watson · November 28, 2020, 12:22 PM

Even more than the lever action .410s, I can't see the point. I had rather have a single shot and save the difference if I didn't pony up for a pump or auto.

Point to consider: It has a five round cylinder. Federal law on migratory game hunting and a lot of state law on all shotgun hunting limits you to a three round capacity. Plugging two chambers in the cylinder would be an interesting proposition.

BigMikey76 · November 28, 2020, 01:44 PM

Jim Watson, the one I am looking at actually comes with cylinder plugs for that exact reason.

T. O'Heir · November 28, 2020, 01:48 PM

No revolving shotgun on their web site that I can see. Their Model 804 appears to be a "regular" box mag, bullpup, design.

BigMikey76 · December 1, 2020, 09:59 AM

https://grabagun.com/landor-arms-txs...-5-rounds.html

shurshot · December 2, 2020, 02:11 PM

The Striker was designed over in South Africa in the late 70's, early 80's, for farmers to protect themselves with. I remember reading about them in the mid 80's in Soldier of Fortune Magazine.

Virginian · December 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

Are Speedloaders available ? I'd have to have a speedloader.

bladesmith 1 · December 3, 2020, 02:04 PM

Is it a single or double action ? I have a copy of the Remington Revolving Carbine and it's fun to shoot. I've never seen one referred to as a " "scavenger's rifle", just a revolving carbine. Only problem is the left hand is put on top of the right so as not to burn the left forearm. That would be a problem with the recoil of a shotgun. Do they show one being fired on facebook ? Where are the reviews posted ? Thanks for any help because I'd buy one if the shield did work properly. The president of our club shoots mostly shotgun and he has to have everything someone else doesn't have. I know he doesn't have one of these.

BigMikey76 · December 4, 2020, 09:42 AM

I've only found one short shooting video on YouTube. Can't seem to find any reviews. That's why I asked here - I generally find that the feedback here is better than the reviews I find online. Probably cause the folks here aren't getting paid for their comments!

BigMikey76 · December 4, 2020, 09:43 AM

It is DA/SA

BigMikey76 · December 4, 2020, 09:57 AM

Found some more info on it under a different name - Lazer Arms XR410. Seems to be the same gun, just a different label. Not uncommon to see that with the Turkish imports...

November 27, 2020, 02:09 PM	#1
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	Revolver Shotgun I tend to be long winded,, so feel free to skip to the end if you just want the meat and taters. I really like the idea of a revolver shotgun - the same basic benefits of a semi auto with the reliability of a revolver - seems like a combo that dreams are made of... I have looked at the Rossi Circuit Judge many times, but I have always ended up passing on it for 2 main reasons: 1 - All the reviews and videos I have seen give it very low marks for accuracy as a rifle and spread as a shotgun (typical of anything that is trying to do 2 things in 1 - they end up doing both things poorly) 2- Its just a bit goofy and awkward looking. Enter the Landor Arms TSX 804. It looks like a long gun with a revolving cylinder rather than a handgun with an extended barrel and an afterthought stock. It has a smooth bore and a bead front sight, as a shotgun should, and it comes with multiple chokes. All of these things say to me that it should perform far better than the Rossi, but I have seen very little in the way of reliable reviews or videos. Long story short (too late), does anyone know anything about the Landor Arms TSX 804 revolving cylinder shotgun? Any thoughts or insights are welcome. __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

November 27, 2020, 04:49 PM	#2
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	And does that cylinder have a gap to allow hot gases to hit your arm? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

November 27, 2020, 09:26 PM	#3
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Revolving long arms have never been well received by the buying public. Holding a long arm requires you to place your left hand (or right hand, if left handed) ahead of the receiver. When fired, the barrel-cyinder gap of revolving long arms allows high pressure gases to escape in the direction of your forward arm, risking injury. The Rossi tries to skirt this issue by putting a gas shield under the barrel-cylinder gap, but IME it generally redirects the gases and unburnt powder that exit the barrel-cylinder gap towards your hand and your face. Back in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, Colt and Remington both sold what was called a "scavenger's rifle", a rifle version of their revolvers targeted at military scavengers (gathered food for the armies). I don't know how many were made or used, but it was generally disliked by troops, and is fairly rare to find in museums these days __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

November 27, 2020, 11:13 PM	#4
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	The gap does have a shield to redirect away from your support arm. The many reviews of the Circuit Judge and the one short video I have seen on this one give fairly positive feedback about the effectiveness of the shield. I don't necessarily want to take the review of this shotgun at face value, as I believe it was more of a paid advertisement, but I have seen many independent videos on YouTube regarding the Rossi, and I doubt that the shield on this is all that different. __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

November 28, 2020, 11:00 AM	#6
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 877	the market is trying to reinvent a failure. pass on it. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

November 28, 2020, 10:56 AM	#5
Drm50 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2014 Posts: 1,378	I can vouch personally for the circuit judge. It is a piece of useless monkey poo. Waste of 45Colt ammo and not practical for anything even with 410 shells. This is another novelty gun for show & tell at range.

November 28, 2020, 12:20 PM	#7
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	When ever I think of a revolver shotgun, I think of a street sweeper. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

November 28, 2020, 12:22 PM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Even more than the lever action .410s, I can't see the point. I had rather have a single shot and save the difference if I didn't pony up for a pump or auto. Point to consider: It has a five round cylinder. Federal law on migratory game hunting and a lot of state law on all shotgun hunting limits you to a three round capacity. Plugging two chambers in the cylinder would be an interesting proposition.

November 28, 2020, 01:44 PM	#9
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	Jim Watson, the one I am looking at actually comes with cylinder plugs for that exact reason. __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

November 28, 2020, 01:48 PM	#10
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	No revolving shotgun on their web site that I can see. Their Model 804 appears to be a "regular" box mag, bullpup, design. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

December 1, 2020, 09:59 AM	#11
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	https://grabagun.com/landor-arms-txs...-5-rounds.html __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

December 2, 2020, 02:11 PM	#12
shurshot Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2006 Posts: 1,819	The Striker was designed over in South Africa in the late 70's, early 80's, for farmers to protect themselves with. I remember reading about them in the mid 80's in Soldier of Fortune Magazine.

December 2, 2020, 10:51 PM	#13
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	Are Speedloaders available ? I'd have to have a speedloader. __________________ What could have happened... did.

December 3, 2020, 02:04 PM	#14
bladesmith 1 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2018 Posts: 240	Is it a single or double action ? I have a copy of the Remington Revolving Carbine and it's fun to shoot. I've never seen one referred to as a " "scavenger's rifle", just a revolving carbine. Only problem is the left hand is put on top of the right so as not to burn the left forearm. That would be a problem with the recoil of a shotgun. Do they show one being fired on facebook ? Where are the reviews posted ? Thanks for any help because I'd buy one if the shield did work properly. The president of our club shoots mostly shotgun and he has to have everything someone else doesn't have. I know he doesn't have one of these.

December 4, 2020, 09:42 AM	#15
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	I've only found one short shooting video on YouTube. Can't seem to find any reviews. That's why I asked here - I generally find that the feedback here is better than the reviews I find online. Probably cause the folks here aren't getting paid for their comments! __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

December 4, 2020, 09:43 AM	#16
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	It is DA/SA __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

December 4, 2020, 09:57 AM	#17
BigMikey76 Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2011 Location: Bellevue, NE Posts: 981	Found some more info on it under a different name - Lazer Arms XR410. Seems to be the same gun, just a different label. Not uncommon to see that with the Turkish imports... __________________ Some people are like Slinkies - not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.