New to me Swiss K11 (pic heavy)

easyliven88 · November 5, 2014, 04:04 PM

Here is my new to me all matching K11 I bought from a collector for a very decent price...I disassembled to for a complete light cleaning, lubing then reassembly and hopefully a little range time. I've tried to decipher the troop tag under the butt plate with little success lol, any help there would be much appreciated. Any comments advice are always welcome.

Mitr = Machinegunner (then name of soldier)
Mili = Military (then company name and number?)
Edig = Swiss Federal Arsenal (?)
Bottom line I can't really even tell whats going on there lol

easyliven88 · November 5, 2014, 04:07 PM

More pics

Handguard and Magazine

tahunua001 · November 5, 2014, 05:15 PM

I believe that the schema for the tag equals
name of soldier issued the rifle and year of birth
unit he was attached to
residence.

sometimes they didn't write exactly like they were supposed to so you kind have to do a little guessing, that fellow had terrible handwriting BTW. I can't read a dang thing on it.

zfk55 · November 5, 2014, 05:50 PM

Beauty and a great buy!

zfk55 · November 6, 2014, 10:19 AM

Are you going to scope it?

easyliven88 · November 6, 2014, 03:14 PM

zfk55...Not going to do a thing to it but clean her up...and enjoy shooting it....

barnbwt · November 6, 2014, 10:08 PM

Lookin' gewd!

Series70 · November 8, 2014, 01:43 AM

Nice carbine.

If you're interested in more info (including how to interpret the troop tag,) try the Swiss Rifles Message Board at

http://theswissriflesdotcommessagebo...es.html?page=1

Home of the experts.

easyliven88 · November 8, 2014, 06:59 AM

Thanks Series70....

Ky_Collector · November 11, 2014, 12:24 PM

That is one very nice rifle!

gwpercle · November 13, 2014, 04:51 PM

Nice one. I like to shoot cast bullets and actually prefer the K11 to the K31. I bought my K11 so long ago no one wanted them strange Swiss guns and they were stuck off in a corner with a $29.95 price tag. Me and a high school buddy each bought one while the other guys were getting O3-A3 Springfields, Lee- Enfields and German Mausers.
I still have mine and my buddy gave me his a few years ago. Nice shooters.
Have fun.....Gary

tobnpr · November 13, 2014, 06:18 PM

I really need to get one to go alongside my K-31.
Online retailer has them for $280, that's a good deal if they're anything like the quality of the K-31.

easyliven88 · November 14, 2014, 03:58 PM

Trust me, I wish I would have started collecting years ago lol...but of course I get bitten by the "bug" when when I'm well into my 40's, I just need to earn more to spend more

Bruce_in_Oz · December 30, 2014, 06:43 PM

Slickest of the Schmidt Rubin actions: the K-31 has a shorter bolt travel but the K-11 is smoother.

That said, the K-11 is throated "long" so that is could still use the earlier, heavy, "torpedo" bullets of the 1895 pattern ammo.

The G-11 (rifle) and K-11 entered service the same year as the fabulous GP-11 spitzer-bulleted cartridge.

If you want to run cast bullets, go with a long, approx 180gn round-nosed bullet. Use conventional lube or live large and try "lubing" with a couple of turns of Teflon "plumber's" tape; the stuff they use to seal steel pipe joins in the 21st Century.

I have been using the 155 Sierra Match Kings for a while with good results as well.

IMPORTANT NOTE:

The K-11 has a long throat to accommodate all those old-fashiond long, round-nosed bullets.

HOWEVER, the K-31 is STRICTLY chambered for the GP-11 and has a VERY short throat. The GP-11 bullet is NOT a tangent ogive like a Sierra, but a "secant" ogive, like some of the Hornady bullets.

Those in Oz should try the BJD HBC 155 gn match bullet which has a Secant Ogive and is superbly accurate in K-31s, as well as the Omarks, Angels etc, for which it was designed.

zfk55 · December 31, 2014, 08:41 AM

Bruce, the 1911 and the k11 were designed to use the GP11 projectile, just as the 96/11 the k31 and the zfk55. All of them. The throat on all of them, short and long accommodate that GP11 Projectile. These rifles are the only military issue rifles in the world designed around a cartridge, not the other way around.
The 1889 is the one you're thinking of, not the 1911 series.
And Teflon Tape??

tobnpr · December 31, 2014, 09:29 AM

When I first loaded for the K-31 I had bought I went to my Sierra manual...
Boy, what a MISTAKE. The OAL listed is for the older, long-throated rifles.

I loaded 175 SMK's to the OAL listed, and luckily my son called me over to the bench to tell me he was having problems closing the bolt. The OAL was something like nearly 1/4" (INCH) too long, as verified later by an OAL gauge in the chamber. The K-31 seems to have a very tight leade- 175 SMK's end up pretty far in the case- almost too far.

zfk55 · December 31, 2014, 09:41 AM

Freebore in that rifle is almost non-extant. Assuming you're using a Berger VLD175 or a SMK175, almost touching the lands is what the rifle was designed for.
I'll see if I can find my cartridge comparisons. Might surprise you.

Dragonflydf · December 31, 2014, 04:05 PM

One down, 2 to go, You need to get a 1911 and a K-31. I have one of each and not a one had a tag

My 1911

K-11

K-31

DennisCA · December 31, 2014, 10:13 PM

easyliven88 - Awesome rifle; you're going enjoy it!

Just to compare - here's mine:
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Ky_Collector · January 3, 2015, 12:49 PM

Very nice! My local gun shop had two K31 rifles. They were both sold before I could get to them...

easyliven88 · January 3, 2015, 07:10 PM

Ky Collector....I just picked up my first K31 about 2 weeks ago from Gander Mountain, they had about 6 to pick thru. Time for a thorough cleaning and photoshoot lol.

November 5, 2014, 04:04 PM	#1
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	New to me Swiss K11 (pic heavy) Here is my new to me all matching K11 I bought from a collector for a very decent price...I disassembled to for a complete light cleaning, lubing then reassembly and hopefully a little range time. I've tried to decipher the troop tag under the butt plate with little success lol, any help there would be much appreciated. Any comments advice are always welcome. Mitr = Machinegunner (then name of soldier) Mili = Military (then company name and number?) Edig = Swiss Federal Arsenal (?) Bottom line I can't really even tell whats going on there lol __________________ There can be only one....and thats me

November 5, 2014, 04:07 PM	#2
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	More pics Handguard and Magazine __________________ There can be only one....and thats me

November 5, 2014, 05:15 PM	#3
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	I believe that the schema for the tag equals name of soldier issued the rifle and year of birth unit he was attached to residence. sometimes they didn't write exactly like they were supposed to so you kind have to do a little guessing, that fellow had terrible handwriting BTW. I can't read a dang thing on it. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

November 5, 2014, 05:50 PM	#4
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Beauty and a great buy! __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

November 6, 2014, 10:19 AM	#5
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Are you going to scope it? __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

November 6, 2014, 03:14 PM	#6
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	zfk55...Not going to do a thing to it but clean her up...and enjoy shooting it.... __________________ There can be only one....and thats me

November 6, 2014, 10:08 PM	#7
barnbwt Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 1,085	Lookin' gewd! __________________ "I don't believe that the men of the distant past were any wiser than we are today. But it does seem that their science and technology were able to accomplish much grander things." -- Alex Rosewater

November 8, 2014, 01:43 AM	#8
Series70 Member Join Date: January 29, 2010 Posts: 78	Nice carbine. If you're interested in more info (including how to interpret the troop tag,) try the Swiss Rifles Message Board at http://theswissriflesdotcommessagebo...es.html?page=1 Home of the experts.

November 8, 2014, 06:59 AM	#9
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	Thanks Series70.... __________________ There can be only one....and thats me

November 11, 2014, 12:24 PM	#10
Ky_Collector Member Join Date: November 3, 2014 Posts: 28	That is one very nice rifle!

November 13, 2014, 04:51 PM	#11
gwpercle Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2012 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 1,752	Nice one. I like to shoot cast bullets and actually prefer the K11 to the K31. I bought my K11 so long ago no one wanted them strange Swiss guns and they were stuck off in a corner with a $29.95 price tag. Me and a high school buddy each bought one while the other guys were getting O3-A3 Springfields, Lee- Enfields and German Mausers. I still have mine and my buddy gave me his a few years ago. Nice shooters. Have fun.....Gary

November 13, 2014, 06:18 PM	#12
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	I really need to get one to go alongside my K-31. Online retailer has them for $280, that's a good deal if they're anything like the quality of the K-31. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

November 14, 2014, 03:58 PM	#13
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	Trust me, I wish I would have started collecting years ago lol...but of course I get bitten by the "bug" when when I'm well into my 40's, I just need to earn more to spend more __________________ There can be only one....and thats me

December 30, 2014, 06:43 PM	#14
Bruce_in_Oz Junior Member Join Date: December 30, 2014 Posts: 4	K-11 Slickest of the Schmidt Rubin actions: the K-31 has a shorter bolt travel but the K-11 is smoother. That said, the K-11 is throated "long" so that is could still use the earlier, heavy, "torpedo" bullets of the 1895 pattern ammo. The G-11 (rifle) and K-11 entered service the same year as the fabulous GP-11 spitzer-bulleted cartridge. If you want to run cast bullets, go with a long, approx 180gn round-nosed bullet. Use conventional lube or live large and try "lubing" with a couple of turns of Teflon "plumber's" tape; the stuff they use to seal steel pipe joins in the 21st Century. I have been using the 155 Sierra Match Kings for a while with good results as well. IMPORTANT NOTE: The K-11 has a long throat to accommodate all those old-fashiond long, round-nosed bullets. HOWEVER, the K-31 is STRICTLY chambered for the GP-11 and has a VERY short throat. The GP-11 bullet is NOT a tangent ogive like a Sierra, but a "secant" ogive, like some of the Hornady bullets. Those in Oz should try the BJD HBC 155 gn match bullet which has a Secant Ogive and is superbly accurate in K-31s, as well as the Omarks, Angels etc, for which it was designed.

December 31, 2014, 08:41 AM	#15
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Bruce, the 1911 and the k11 were designed to use the GP11 projectile, just as the 96/11 the k31 and the zfk55. All of them. The throat on all of them, short and long accommodate that GP11 Projectile. These rifles are the only military issue rifles in the world designed around a cartridge, not the other way around. The 1889 is the one you're thinking of, not the 1911 series. And Teflon Tape?? __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

December 31, 2014, 09:29 AM	#16
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	When I first loaded for the K-31 I had bought I went to my Sierra manual... Boy, what a MISTAKE. The OAL listed is for the older, long-throated rifles. I loaded 175 SMK's to the OAL listed, and luckily my son called me over to the bench to tell me he was having problems closing the bolt. The OAL was something like nearly 1/4" (INCH) too long, as verified later by an OAL gauge in the chamber. The K-31 seems to have a very tight leade- 175 SMK's end up pretty far in the case- almost too far. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

December 31, 2014, 09:41 AM	#17
zfk55 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2009 Location: Lost Prairie Montana Posts: 391	Freebore in that rifle is almost non-extant. Assuming you're using a Berger VLD175 or a SMK175, almost touching the lands is what the rifle was designed for. I'll see if I can find my cartridge comparisons. Might surprise you. __________________ www.swissproductsllc.com An'' ole' Brer' Rabbit, he set in de bushes, he watch an' he wait, lay low an' he don' say nuffin'

December 31, 2014, 04:05 PM	#18
Dragonflydf Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2014 Posts: 217	One down, 2 to go, You need to get a 1911 and a K-31. I have one of each and not a one had a tag My 1911 K-11 K-31 __________________ Jack, You have Debauched my sloth !!!!!! https://www.facebook.com/shoot.the.guns.of.history

December 31, 2014, 10:13 PM	#19
DennisCA Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2012 Location: Union City CA (a.k.a. Poople's Republik of CA) Posts: 451	easyliven88 - Awesome rifle; you're going enjoy it! Just to compare - here's mine: [IMG][/IMG]

January 3, 2015, 12:49 PM	#20
Ky_Collector Member Join Date: November 3, 2014 Posts: 28	Very nice! My local gun shop had two K31 rifles. They were both sold before I could get to them...

January 3, 2015, 07:10 PM	#21
easyliven88 Member Join Date: June 7, 2013 Location: Macomb County Michigan Posts: 85	Ky Collector....I just picked up my first K31 about 2 weeks ago from Gander Mountain, they had about 6 to pick thru. Time for a thorough cleaning and photoshoot lol. __________________ There can be only one....and thats me