New "expanding" ammo Bolo style round. Advanced Ballistic Concepts

Coach Z · January 7, 2014, 07:44 PM

This just popped up in one of the geeky tech news sites that I read daily. It appears that it's a round that has a bullet that is split into thirds that upon exiting the barrel is flung outward by centrifugal force.

I find it hard to believe that this could be accurate but I searched the web and I found one site that showed a range report and the target appeared to display a very clear impact showing that they did in fact expand equally.

It looks like they are going to officially unveil the product at the shot show. The company is called Advanced Ballistic Concepts

Oh and I HATE the headline that says it expands to kill better.

Here is the link

I believe this is their own website, looks like multiple calibers available.

Brian Pfleuger · January 7, 2014, 07:52 PM

We've discussed it here before. The saying "Nothing new under the sun." applies well. The concept was tried and abandoned decades ago.

No way is that going to penetrate worth a damn and shot placement is lousy, virtually by design. You're going to hit everywhere EXCEPT where you aim.

Two things are important in self defense, shot placement and penetration. Hm...

TXAZ · January 7, 2014, 08:05 PM

If it were such a great idea, how come no police forces have adopted it?

Coach Z · January 7, 2014, 08:11 PM

Brian Pfleuger - I totally agree. Just thought it was worth mentioning for others to check out. Interesting that someone put the time and energy into developing it but I can't for a second think that it will actually be useful.

Nick_C_S · January 7, 2014, 08:13 PM

Garbage.

Theohazard · January 8, 2014, 01:54 PM

There's another ongoing thread in the General Handgun forum discussing this exact same product:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536341

Dc777 · January 8, 2014, 03:30 PM

I swear I read this elsewhere on the forum earlier today

Model12Win · January 10, 2014, 10:55 PM

Silly concept. There is a channel on YouTube I frequent who featured the creator of this product, and everything from his description to the hokey 3-D animations he put up reeked of BS. I then just had to check out the companies site as I needed a good laugh.

It didn't disappoint.

Shockingly, this company offers a non-lethal (or less-lethal) version of this shell, and... wait for it... a SEMI-LETHAL version! That's right, apparently that version is designed not to kill instantly but just cripple the attacker and put him in need of immediate medical attention. This is just unwise on so, so many levels... I don't even know where to begin.

I wouldn't much wish for ANY American business to fail at this day in age, but I seriously hope this company doesn't last long if this is what they are going to put on the market. I could only imagine some well to do but undereducated firearms owner buying this for there shotgun thinking it's the most effective load out there for defense, but in reality it is poor compared to the 12 gauge 00 buck 10 shells for $5 bulk packs at Wally World.

Coach Z · January 11, 2014, 07:17 PM

After I posted this thread I poked around some more online and WOW! Holy mother of, just unbelievable. I too love the semi lethal. People have been killed with blank guns so I have a hard time swallowing the SEMI-lethal.

The price is also through the roof, what are they thinking???

Snyper · January 20, 2014, 06:25 PM

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Interesting that someone put the time and energy into developing it

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The price is also through the roof, what are they thinking???

They're thinking about P T Barnum; "There's a sucker born every minute"

January 7, 2014, 07:44 PM	#1
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	New "expanding" ammo Bolo style round. Advanced Ballistic Concepts This just popped up in one of the geeky tech news sites that I read daily. It appears that it's a round that has a bullet that is split into thirds that upon exiting the barrel is flung outward by centrifugal force. I find it hard to believe that this could be accurate but I searched the web and I found one site that showed a range report and the target appeared to display a very clear impact showing that they did in fact expand equally. It looks like they are going to officially unveil the product at the shot show. The company is called Advanced Ballistic Concepts Oh and I HATE the headline that says it expands to kill better. Here is the link I believe this is their own website, looks like multiple calibers available. __________________ Love my guns

January 7, 2014, 07:52 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	We've discussed it here before. The saying "Nothing new under the sun." applies well. The concept was tried and abandoned decades ago. No way is that going to penetrate worth a damn and shot placement is lousy, virtually by design. You're going to hit everywhere EXCEPT where you aim. Two things are important in self defense, shot placement and penetration. Hm... __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

January 7, 2014, 08:05 PM	#3
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	If it were such a great idea, how come no police forces have adopted it? __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 7, 2014, 08:11 PM	#4
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	Brian Pfleuger - I totally agree. Just thought it was worth mentioning for others to check out. Interesting that someone put the time and energy into developing it but I can't for a second think that it will actually be useful. __________________ Love my guns

January 7, 2014, 08:13 PM	#5
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Garbage. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

January 8, 2014, 01:54 PM	#6
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	There's another ongoing thread in the General Handgun forum discussing this exact same product: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536341 __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

January 8, 2014, 03:30 PM	#7
Dc777 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2013 Location: South West, Alabama Posts: 609	I swear I read this elsewhere on the forum earlier today __________________ NRA member Paintings were made to look at, and guns were made to be shot. If you aren't going to use them as they are intended for, get rid of them and buy a Picasso.

January 10, 2014, 10:55 PM	#8
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Silly concept. There is a channel on YouTube I frequent who featured the creator of this product, and everything from his description to the hokey 3-D animations he put up reeked of BS. I then just had to check out the companies site as I needed a good laugh. It didn't disappoint. Shockingly, this company offers a non-lethal (or less-lethal) version of this shell, and... wait for it... a SEMI-LETHAL version! That's right, apparently that version is designed not to kill instantly but just cripple the attacker and put him in need of immediate medical attention. This is just unwise on so, so many levels... I don't even know where to begin. I wouldn't much wish for ANY American business to fail at this day in age, but I seriously hope this company doesn't last long if this is what they are going to put on the market. I could only imagine some well to do but undereducated firearms owner buying this for there shotgun thinking it's the most effective load out there for defense, but in reality it is poor compared to the 12 gauge 00 buck 10 shells for $5 bulk packs at Wally World.

January 11, 2014, 07:17 PM	#9
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	After I posted this thread I poked around some more online and WOW! Holy mother of, just unbelievable. I too love the semi lethal. People have been killed with blank guns so I have a hard time swallowing the SEMI-lethal. The price is also through the roof, what are they thinking??? __________________ Love my guns