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February 5, 2008, 12:51 PM | #51 |
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One, I never said to ignore wind resistance. Reread and you'll see that. Two, when speaking about mathematic prediction I assumed tumbling. No one ever specified a bullet type, so I went with what I believed to be a general answer. A hollow base bullet- like an SS109 M16 bullet (one I know REALLY well) would most certainly tumble when falling backwards, greatly reducing its rotational velocity (at least in the original vector). My point was that there are far too many variables to predict where the bullet will land and how it will be pointed when it hits. Bullet shape, crosswinds, temperature, altitude, and so on and on make an accurate prediction impossible- a three shot "group" MIGHT cover a three block radius. THAT'S why I said this isn't a calculus problem, but one for statistics. I'm sorry if I came across confusing. Believe it or not, I was trying to keep it relatively simple. As for whether it would be lethal on impact- I wouldn't want to be hit by it.
Anyway, I think we've veered off the original thread (retained lethality after going through a wall) and I'm guilty of helping push it that way. As such... I'll apologize to the OP for helping hijack his post. SORRY.
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February 5, 2008, 05:01 PM | #53 |
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If I was defending my property this wouldnt be an issue. Firstly, I live in a fully detached 250 year old cottage. If I fired a bullet at a wall in my house, it would probably do damage to the stone work. If I fired a gun at the several wooden doors on my premises it might be a different issue.
Basically. I dont think if I were protecting my home and a bullet went through a door etc it wouldnt be a problem. |
February 8, 2008, 10:37 AM | #54 | |
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My uncle Phil was sitting in his Brooklyn apartment years ago and the guy in the apartment below had a discharge cleaning his rifle that went through the floor, into the bottom of my uncle's foot, out the top, back into his shin, out the calf, into the back of the thigh, out the top and through a shoulder. He wasn't critically injured (!) suffered no long term effect and never bothered to sue the guy.
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February 13, 2008, 02:09 AM | #56 |
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I had an AD in my home late last year with a 9mm carbine. It went through the floor of my room, through a heating duct, the ceiling of the room below and lodged in a wall stud in the room below mine. Fortunately I was the only one home at the time, but as a result, I personally do not keep loaded mags in the firearm. They may be with the firearm in the case, but in a seperate pocket.
My dad keeps his pistol with a loaded mag, empty chamber. Thats how i caused my AD, so I dont do it anymore. |
March 26, 2008, 11:27 AM | #57 | |
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Yes, a bullet that goes through a wall can kill someone on the other side. Here's a recent example:
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April 4, 2008, 07:59 AM | #59 |
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Mythbusters did an episode on the bullet shot in the air scenario. You should be able to find it on youtube. Interesting info.
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April 4, 2008, 08:43 AM | #60 |
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Two teen age girls were killed at Carowinds outside Charlotte several years ago by some fellows target shooting over a mile away. They ignored several safety rules and laws including the one about not having their automatic rifle licensed.
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Yeah, so what if it goes through a wall ...?
A post from one of my best buddies: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...5&postcount=82 Quote:
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April 5, 2008, 06:41 PM | #62 |
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Now I didnt mean just any bullet. Of course, a rifle is not meant for home use.
This brings back one of my original posts where I asserted the CX4 storm would be the ideal home defense weapon. Usually when I fire off a .40 caliber pistol, I feel as if I am on the deck of the USS New Jersey when a big 16 incher is going off. Lots of flash and bang. However, the .40 coming from a long barrel is much more satsifying. Check out this youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2d-MznC9M Look at how smooth of a operation this is when cooking off some rounds. Not much kick and jiggle from the long gun. Not much flash and bang as if your firing a civil war musket. |
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A number of years ago, a neighbor's 12 year old son got ahold of his .22 rifle on Saturday morning when daddy wasn't home.
The kid fired a .22LR at a bird, in flight. The bullet punched through the siding on the house next to me, and continued through the insulation and inside drywall. It then crossed through the kitchen, went through an inside wall (total of 2 layers of drywall) and finally embedded in the drywall at the far side of the living room. Fortunately, no one was home. |
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