The Second Amendment Annotated

Josh Smith · May 7, 2018, 12:01 PM

Hello,

I wrote the following hoping some of you might be able to use it. I've been told recently that history doesn't matter since we're living now; I disagree.

This is my work. You have my permission to pass it around. You may add to it if you wish, but please do not delete anything. Keep my name etc.

Annotated Second Amendment

1. A well-regulated militia (men 17-45, supplying their own small arms and drilling, at least in theory, with some regularity)

2. Necessary to the security of a free State (providing for the common defense; first responders in an armed crisis)

3. The right OF THE PEOPLE (not the right of the "militia", but the right of THE PEOPLE, who comprise the militia; The People remain armed regardless of the existence of an organized Militia; The People must retain the ability to raise a militia)

4. To keep and bear arms (historically, those arms in common use by infantry in militias and militaries at any given time, not just 1776, given the stated mission of the militia)

5. Shall not be infringed (self-explanatory; the British tried to deprive the colonies of powder and arms so they could be subjugated; this sparked a hot war)

Regards,
Josh

NateKirk · May 7, 2018, 04:53 PM

What are you trying to accomplish? Explain? Inform? Spark debate? What you have is your personal interpretation of what the second amendment says. If you want people with any intelligence to take this seriously (assuming your goal isn't simply social media shares from like-minded people,) then you will have to provide sources to support this interpretation, using references other than your own knowledge base

Josh Smith · May 7, 2018, 05:09 PM

I want people to say, "I didn't know it said that."

Then I want them to agree with or refute my contentions.

However, I want them to research it for themselves rather than relying on my word or even relying on pro-gun groups.

I guess sparking discussion is a secondary goal, but sparking self-education is a primary goal.

Regards,
Josh

rwilson452 · May 7, 2018, 05:41 PM

I have read many years in the past, that in the south, families would bring their arms to church in rural areas. After services they would target practice and have matches. As part of their militia drill. No, I don't recall where I read it but the source was reliable.

Most people don't know why Sen. Burnside formed the NRA. Anyone here care to chime in on his reasoning?

Josh Smith · May 7, 2018, 06:23 PM

RWilson,

I thought it was marksmanship training.

But I thought Mssrs Smith and Wingate formed it? Don't recall a Sen Burnside?

Regards,
Josh

rickyrick · May 7, 2018, 08:54 PM

Because it mentions the militia, antis don’t care.

rwilson452 · May 7, 2018, 11:49 PM

Josh,

Quote:

I thought it was marksmanship training.

But I thought Mssrs Smith and Wingate formed it? Don't recall a Sen Burnside?

Regards,
Josh

Correct,
Burnside noted the need and had the idea. Smith and Wingate executed the plan.

**Frank Ettin** · May 7, 2018, 11:59 PM

I don't see this going anywhere.

May 7, 2018, 12:01 PM	#1
Josh Smith member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wabash IN Posts: 740	The Second Amendment Annotated Hello, I wrote the following hoping some of you might be able to use it. I've been told recently that history doesn't matter since we're living now; I disagree. This is my work. You have my permission to pass it around. You may add to it if you wish, but please do not delete anything. Keep my name etc. Annotated Second Amendment 1. A well-regulated militia (men 17-45, supplying their own small arms and drilling, at least in theory, with some regularity) 2. Necessary to the security of a free State (providing for the common defense; first responders in an armed crisis) 3. The right OF THE PEOPLE (not the right of the "militia", but the right of THE PEOPLE, who comprise the militia; The People remain armed regardless of the existence of an organized Militia; The People must retain the ability to raise a militia) 4. To keep and bear arms (historically, those arms in common use by infantry in militias and militaries at any given time, not just 1776, given the stated mission of the militia) 5. Shall not be infringed (self-explanatory; the British tried to deprive the colonies of powder and arms so they could be subjugated; this sparked a hot war) Regards, Josh

May 7, 2018, 04:53 PM	#2
NateKirk Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2013 Location: Detroit Posts: 435	What are you trying to accomplish? Explain? Inform? Spark debate? What you have is your personal interpretation of what the second amendment says. If you want people with any intelligence to take this seriously (assuming your goal isn't simply social media shares from like-minded people,) then you will have to provide sources to support this interpretation, using references other than your own knowledge base __________________ “Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".” ― --Thomas Jefferson

May 7, 2018, 05:41 PM	#4
rwilson452 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Tioga co. PA Posts: 2,647	I have read many years in the past, that in the south, families would bring their arms to church in rural areas. After services they would target practice and have matches. As part of their militia drill. No, I don't recall where I read it but the source was reliable. Most people don't know why Sen. Burnside formed the NRA. Anyone here care to chime in on his reasoning? __________________ USNRET '61-'81

May 7, 2018, 11:59 PM	#8
Frank Ettin Staff Join Date: November 23, 2005 Location: California - San Francisco Posts: 9,471	I don't see this going anywhere. __________________ "It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper

May 7, 2018, 05:09 PM	#3
Josh Smith member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wabash IN Posts: 740	I want people to say, "I didn't know it said that." Then I want them to agree with or refute my contentions. However, I want them to research it for themselves rather than relying on my word or even relying on pro-gun groups. I guess sparking discussion is a secondary goal, but sparking self-education is a primary goal. Regards, Josh

May 7, 2018, 06:23 PM	#5
Josh Smith member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wabash IN Posts: 740	RWilson, I thought it was marksmanship training. But I thought Mssrs Smith and Wingate formed it? Don't recall a Sen Burnside? Regards, Josh

May 7, 2018, 08:54 PM	#6
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Because it mentions the militia, antis don’t care.