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Old February 19, 2020, 04:41 PM   #1
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Rifle Barrels

How would everyone out there rate these barrels for accuracy

Lilja
Douglas
Krieger
Bartlein

I am considering my next barrel. I shoot 22-250 currently with my second Lilja barrel. The first one shot better. At 100 yds I was always below 1/2". The current one only below 1/2" half the time. The rifle is a Rem 700 with a Jewel trigger. Case prep and ammo has been the same. Current barrel is 26" long 1-14 twist. Leaning towards Douglas. I would like some opinions. Thanks for any
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Old February 19, 2020, 07:19 PM   #2
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If your using a sporter contour then Douglas is great, but if I were to use a heavier barrel for longer range, the Bartlein barrels are hard to beat.
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Old February 19, 2020, 07:56 PM   #3
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I believe Krieger currently holds the smallest group record for 100 yards. I know that doesn't mean everyone is like that, but you don't set world records with crap equipment.
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Old February 20, 2020, 12:46 AM   #4
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Any one of those barrels would be a fine barrel. I prefer Lilja when I build for customers, but Bartlein, Krieger and Douglas make very good barrels as well. Most of the top tier barrel makers turn out excellent products that are very close in quality. Prices are also very similar.
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Old February 20, 2020, 05:42 AM   #5
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I am using a straight barrel 1.125 outside diameter
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Old February 20, 2020, 10:22 AM   #6
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With those choices, get the one you want. The smith who builds it will make a bigger difference at this point.
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Old February 20, 2020, 10:34 AM   #7
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I don't know much, my only after market barrels are a Pac Nor which is good and a Krieger which is excellent.
My Long Range friend is now using Bartlein.
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Old February 20, 2020, 01:36 PM   #8
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Don't think you(or anybody else) would be able to tell the difference given just the barrel. There's a great deal more involved. A lot depends on what you're doing with it too. Question is, Why are you frequently changing barrels?
Anyway, I knew a guy, years ago, who built a custom 17.5 pound, .300 Win Mag, on a Win M70 action, using a Douglas Premium SS barrel. He regularly won 1,000 yard "any rifle any sight" DCRA(Dominion of Canada Rifle Association) matches with it. Mind you, in those days, there was Douglas and nobody else.
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Old February 20, 2020, 07:33 PM   #9
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Might consider a faster twist. Maybe 12.
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Old February 20, 2020, 08:52 PM   #10
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If I were you, and I’m not....I would buy
Kreiger
Bartlein
Lilja
Douglas

In that order. I prefer cut rifling and match winning results...

That said, there are probably 20 barrel makers that could extract best accuracy from your 22-250. I would pick a bullet I wanted to shoot and set my twist & throat based on that. Maybe 75gr slugs with a 1:9 twist?
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Old February 21, 2020, 07:33 AM   #11
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It would depend...
Do you want cut rifling, or is button ok?

Douglas is going to be by far your cheapest one of the bunch, and right now they are saying 2 week turn around.

I for the most part am building hunting rifles, but i am planning a custom range rifle soon.
I'm going to use my same barrel maker for that build also.
E.R. Shaw.
Local to me in PA. (just below Pittsburgh)
Accuracy is quite good with the ones i've gotten thus far, along with appearance.
The bad is 8-12 week turn around times.
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Old February 21, 2020, 07:50 AM   #12
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How would everyone out there rate these barrels for accuracy

Lilja
Douglas
Krieger
Bartlein

I am considering my next barrel. I shoot 22-250 currently with my second Lilja barrel. The first one shot better. At 100 yds I was always below 1/2". The current one only below 1/2" half the time. The rifle is a Rem 700 with a Jewel trigger. Case prep and ammo has been the same. Current barrel is 26" long 1-14 twist. Leaning towards Douglas. I would like some opinions. Thanks for any
Douglas should not be in the discussion. The other 3 are equals of each other.
I assume the action is blue printed?
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Old February 21, 2020, 11:37 AM   #13
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I agree.
Knock Douglas down a peg or two, and the others are all good.
Which I would recommend going with just depends on what you want and when you want it.



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Old February 21, 2020, 03:01 PM   #14
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That would be me...

Hey, i like to be different!
As i've said before, for my hunting profile barrels, they are more accurate than i am.
Their bluing is beautifully done.

Planning a 7mm WSSM, hopefully 30" for range use. Just to be me..
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Old February 21, 2020, 04:53 PM   #15
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Whatever you choose, be sure its groove diameter is at least .0004" less than your bullet diameter. If best accuracy is most important.
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Old February 21, 2020, 05:09 PM   #16
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I have a match grade Shilen on my 6.5x06, it shoot's very small group's with 140gr SMK bullet's. My 6.5x55 is a Mod 70 Win with a factory barrel. It doesn't shoot like my 6.5x06 but it does go well under an inch! Have a Mossberg Patriot in 243 with a Mossberg barrel. Shoot's 70 SMK's almost but not quite as good as the 6.5x06 shoot's 140gr SMK's. I don't recall what the Shilen barrel cost me but installed on my 700 action and in my original 700 stock I have about $600 in it. My Patriot cost me right at $350 for the complete rifle!
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Old February 21, 2020, 07:33 PM   #17
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I am in the middle of 2 custom builds right now....

The first is a Savage 12, 300 WSM long range tactical rifle in chassis with a premium trigger. It is getting a Rock Creek....premium cut rifled barrel. I want consistency at around 0.5moa.

The second is an M70 action 30-06 type round in a McMillan or B&C stock....it will likely get a McGowen or Shilen barrel. I would like to see consistency at around 0.75moa.

Obviously better is better, but those are my expectations and I think they are reasonable for my builds.
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Old February 21, 2020, 08:18 PM   #18
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Am re-engaging in building a replica M40. Which barrel maker would would you lean towards?
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Old February 21, 2020, 10:51 PM   #19
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That would be me...

Hey, i like to be different!
As i've said before, for my hunting profile barrels, they are more accurate than i am.
Their bluing is beautifully done.

Planning a 7mm WSSM, hopefully 30" for range use. Just to be me..
If you build a 30" 7 WSSM, you are truly an oddball.
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Old February 21, 2020, 11:29 PM   #20
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Not too many of us shooting 115gr Berger VLD in their 250 Savage either.
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Old February 22, 2020, 04:15 AM   #21
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I've got rifles with Krieger,Bartlein,Brux,Rock Creek,K&P,Lilja,Broughton and few others. At a trade show Mel Forbes had a booth and my wife liked his model 24. This was before he sold out to Colt. Forbes barrel choice was Douglas. We got rifle 1989 and with reloads it shot pretty good. She hunted with it couple years took break then I put Kreiger on it and it's on it's 2nd Kreiger.

At the time a SS Douglas xx barrel was pretty close to Kreiger cost. I know of a gunsmith east coast that build BR using Douglas barrels and they won few. His name was Micky Coleman and he build my 223 but used K&P barrel and he passed away few years ago.

We had member in our gun club using Douglas barrel and they like them.
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Old February 22, 2020, 08:36 AM   #22
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All four Douglas barrels I have are very good shooters, . 1 #3, 2# 2's and a number 5 varmint contour..
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Old February 22, 2020, 01:53 PM   #23
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It would be a pretty good bet that at any given time, every barrel on the list would out preform the rest of them!
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Old February 22, 2020, 03:54 PM   #24
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Douglas uses button rifling, which some object to, but they also stress-relieve their barrels, which eliminates the main complaint people have about button-rifled production barrels, which is the bore expanding when they cut the outside contour thinner. That happens without stress-relief. I bought one of their xx blanks to build a 6.5-284, and it shot a number of cloverleaves off the bench when it was new. IIRC, I think it was Bill Calfee who wrote years ago to slug a blank in both directions. If one end feels a little tighter than the other, make that end the muzzle. Absent any tightness, if one direction feels like it offers a little less resistance than the other, that's the direction you want your bullets to go in. You can ask Douglas, but unless they have special undersized buttons, you won't be able to get the bore and groove diameters just under bullet size.

Obermeyer has the 5R rifling for match barrels. He developed it for the M24 sniper system, IIRC, and while I've not heard that sniper system is necessarily more accurate than some others, I can say I've read two reports of extraordinary barrel life from them. That can be a fluke, but it's out there as a possibility. I am planning to try one of these barrels the next time I need one.
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Old February 22, 2020, 05:37 PM   #25
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Melvin Forbes still uses a 24" 1.5 contour Douglas barrel on his rifles.

Is Pac-Nor rebuilding after their fire?
I always wanted to try one of their polygonal rifled barrels!
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