Need Help Identifying a Jungle Carbine. - Page 2

BlueTrain · April 13, 2012, 10:40 AM

Of all the ammunition I ever fired through a .303, and I think that over the years I owned and fired six different .303 Lee-Enfields made in almost that many decades, British issue ammunition was the most powerful.

TX Hunter · April 13, 2012, 11:39 AM

Blue Train,

I would shoot that too, but its all gone, so the expensive store bought is all that left unless I reload, and ive been informed that the .303 British is should only be neck sized, and that you only get about four shots per case before it must be discarted.
I measured my fired cases with a calliper yesterday evening after firing and discovered that the shoulder had moved forward and the rest of the case swelled about .006. Which Ive been told is normal, as these rifles had oversized chambers allowing them to acomodate ammunition that may be less than perfect.
I will neck size. This rifle groups nicely, the sights are just poor due to no windage adjustment. Still I like it.

kilimanjaro · April 13, 2012, 08:42 PM

It's still a good-looking rifle and should be fun to shoot. Do get a magnet and check the flash hider on the muzzle, see if it's original steel or repro aluminum.

Might want to think about having the scope mount holes filled and then re-blue with the correct British color, what the heck, it's a fun rifle, right?

There were some No. 4s converted to No. 5, I believe for use in mountainous Cyprus in the 1950s, or by the Cyprian police after the British left.

TX Hunter · April 13, 2012, 09:27 PM

Thanks, I will enjoy the rifle, If I do use a scope it will be a no tap type.
I put a magnet to the flash hider, and it stuck. It must be real.
This is a strange piece, its so correct, except for the date, the front of the bolt is flat, the but pad is not hard, its kind of medium. Its a very good fake.
The point of aim was to the left, but the rifle groups nicely.
Ive got a feeling this will end up as one of my favorites. Its sitting right next to my 1903 A3 maby they will become allies.

Ignition Override · April 16, 2012, 10:59 PM

Around the mag wells of my four Enfield #4s, the metal shape of the thin frame corresponds exactly with the contour of the wood.

On both of my authentic #5s (one is from Joe Salter), the metal contour does not have the same exact shape/contour as the wood.

I don't know whether my LE #4/#5 book by Charles Stratton mentions this.
It is kind of subtle, and you wouldn't normally compare this area.
Tiki: Have you or any other guys noticed the two different contours?

TX Hunter: Without the lightening cuts, your action might be a bit stronger than with original #5s.

madcratebuilder · April 17, 2012, 07:15 AM

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I put a magnet to the flash hider, and it stuck. It must be real.

Genuine flash hider is machined steel and no casting lines, most repros are cast steel with obvious casting lines top and bottom.

Keg · April 18, 2012, 02:47 AM

TX hunter....I have a reproduction #5 made by Sante Fe....

Master Blaster 2 · April 18, 2012, 07:37 AM

If the rubber pad is origional it will be rock hard. Here is a replacment that I used.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...460&catid=5833

gyvel · April 18, 2012, 08:18 PM

I have a phony "jungle carbine" made out of a No. 1 Mk III action, but the only identifying mark on it is the logo "Jungle Rifle" neatly and professionally engraved on the side of the receiver in relatively large and deep characters.

Anyone have any idea who made these? It was actually very well done.

Keg · April 19, 2012, 09:37 PM

gvel..Is Golden State or Sante Fe in small letters on barrel?

TX Hunter · April 22, 2012, 05:12 PM

Sorry It took me so long to get back to this post, HMM, on the Bottom of the barrel in small electro pencled letters it says. TGI KNDX TN No 5 303 British UK.

Keg · April 23, 2012, 03:31 PM

Tennessee Guns International....They import guns....or did import guns....

TX Hunter · April 23, 2012, 06:40 PM

That explains the marking, but the 1942 date, plus correct reciever, incorrect bolt face, and lack of lightening flutes on barrel under the hadguard ?
Its a strange bird indeed, but very nice.
I love the way this carbine carries though, man it feels good.
Its a Mistery Carbine

TX Hunter · April 29, 2012, 02:58 PM

I did notice something odd yesterday, It appears to have left hand rifeling ?
Opposite direction from my 03 A3 , and my Yugo. HMM ?

Tikirocker · April 30, 2012, 11:23 AM

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Tiki: Have you or any other guys noticed the two different contours?

Ig,

If you are talking about the trigger guard then yes, the action cover loop of the No5 trigger guard is a rounded loop and waisted, unlike the even U of the No4 cover. This is correct, it is this way as a further lightening measure on the No5. I cover this in the FAQ section of my Survey for the No5 Mk1 at surplusrifle.

Tiki.

kilimanjaro · April 30, 2012, 11:41 PM

If it's left-hand rifling, the barrel is backwards, you'll shoot your eye out !

gyvel · May 18, 2012, 11:51 PM

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gvel..Is Golden State or Sante Fe in small letters on barrel?

Neither. Other than the original Lithgow markings, all it has are the words "Jungle Rifle" deeply engraved on the left side of the receiver, and is painted with OD green paint.

It is one of the more elegantly done phonies that I have seen, as it more closely resembles a real jungle carbine than some of the others done on No. 1 actions.

Seeing as how it was done on a Lithgow, I was wondering if it was some kind of Australian commercial venture from the 60s or 70s.

Tikirocker · May 19, 2012, 02:30 AM

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Seeing as how it was done on a Lithgow, I was wondering if it was some kind of Australian commercial venture from the 60s or 70s.

No ...

Tiki.

Ignition Override · May 21, 2012, 01:06 AM

Tikirocker:

The area is smaller than I suggested. My memory was faulty. When you look directly at the small area of the screw, just Forward of the magwell, the metal edge of the #4 follows the exact outline/shape of the wood.

This is not the case with either of my original "Jungles". Put one of each side by side and you will see the difference.
My previous description stated that the difference was along the full contour of the magwell, but I had forgotten.

It is really subtle, because that small metal area barely Forward of the magwell is not something that people normally compare, and it was strange that it was noticed.

April 13, 2012, 10:40 AM	#26
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	Of all the ammunition I ever fired through a .303, and I think that over the years I owned and fired six different .303 Lee-Enfields made in almost that many decades, British issue ammunition was the most powerful. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

April 13, 2012, 09:27 PM	#29
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Killimenjaro Thanks, I will enjoy the rifle, If I do use a scope it will be a no tap type. I put a magnet to the flash hider, and it stuck. It must be real. This is a strange piece, its so correct, except for the date, the front of the bolt is flat, the but pad is not hard, its kind of medium. Its a very good fake. The point of aim was to the left, but the rifle groups nicely. Ive got a feeling this will end up as one of my favorites. Its sitting right next to my 1903 A3 maby they will become allies.

April 18, 2012, 02:47 AM	#32
Keg Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2011 Location: Freestone County, Texas Posts: 1,133	TX hunter....I have a reproduction #5 made by Sante Fe.... __________________ Hog Hunters never die........They just reload.........

April 19, 2012, 09:37 PM	#35
Keg Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2011 Location: Freestone County, Texas Posts: 1,133	gvel..Is Golden State or Sante Fe in small letters on barrel? __________________ Hog Hunters never die........They just reload.........

April 22, 2012, 05:12 PM	#36
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Hey Keg, Sorry It took me so long to get back to this post, HMM, on the Bottom of the barrel in small electro pencled letters it says. TGI KNDX TN No 5 303 British UK.

April 13, 2012, 11:39 AM	#27
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Blue Train, I would shoot that too, but its all gone, so the expensive store bought is all that left unless I reload, and ive been informed that the .303 British is should only be neck sized, and that you only get about four shots per case before it must be discarted. I measured my fired cases with a calliper yesterday evening after firing and discovered that the shoulder had moved forward and the rest of the case swelled about .006. Which Ive been told is normal, as these rifles had oversized chambers allowing them to acomodate ammunition that may be less than perfect. I will neck size. This rifle groups nicely, the sights are just poor due to no windage adjustment. Still I like it.

April 13, 2012, 08:42 PM	#28
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	It's still a good-looking rifle and should be fun to shoot. Do get a magnet and check the flash hider on the muzzle, see if it's original steel or repro aluminum. Might want to think about having the scope mount holes filled and then re-blue with the correct British color, what the heck, it's a fun rifle, right? There were some No. 4s converted to No. 5, I believe for use in mountainous Cyprus in the 1950s, or by the Cyprian police after the British left.

April 16, 2012, 10:59 PM	#30
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,884	Around the mag wells of my four Enfield #4s, the metal shape of the thin frame corresponds exactly with the contour of the wood. On both of my authentic #5s (one is from Joe Salter), the metal contour does not have the same exact shape/contour as the wood. I don't know whether my LE #4/#5 book by Charles Stratton mentions this. It is kind of subtle, and you wouldn't normally compare this area. Tiki: Have you or any other guys noticed the two different contours? TX Hunter: Without the lightening cuts, your action might be a bit stronger than with original #5s.

April 18, 2012, 07:37 AM	#33
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	If the rubber pad is origional it will be rock hard. Here is a replacment that I used. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...460&catid=5833

April 18, 2012, 08:18 PM	#34
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	I have a phony "jungle carbine" made out of a No. 1 Mk III action, but the only identifying mark on it is the logo "Jungle Rifle" neatly and professionally engraved on the side of the receiver in relatively large and deep characters. Anyone have any idea who made these? It was actually very well done.

April 23, 2012, 03:31 PM	#37
Keg Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2011 Location: Freestone County, Texas Posts: 1,133	Tennessee Guns International....They import guns....or did import guns.... __________________ Hog Hunters never die........They just reload.........

April 23, 2012, 06:40 PM	#38
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	Keg, That explains the marking, but the 1942 date, plus correct reciever, incorrect bolt face, and lack of lightening flutes on barrel under the hadguard ? Its a strange bird indeed, but very nice. I love the way this carbine carries though, man it feels good. Its a Mistery Carbine

April 29, 2012, 02:58 PM	#39
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	I did notice something odd yesterday, It appears to have left hand rifeling ? Opposite direction from my 03 A3 , and my Yugo. HMM ?

April 30, 2012, 11:41 PM	#41
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	If it's left-hand rifling, the barrel is backwards, you'll shoot your eye out !

May 21, 2012, 01:06 AM	#44
Ignition Override Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: About 20 nm from the Big Muddy Posts: 2,884	Tikirocker: The area is smaller than I suggested. My memory was faulty. When you look directly at the small area of the screw, just Forward of the magwell, the metal edge of the #4 follows the exact outline/shape of the wood. This is not the case with either of my original "Jungles". Put one of each side by side and you will see the difference. My previous description stated that the difference was along the full contour of the magwell, but I had forgotten. It is really subtle, because that small metal area barely Forward of the magwell is not something that people normally compare, and it was strange that it was noticed.