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June 29, 2011, 01:40 PM | #26 |
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I guess I was thinking along the same lines as Don. I'm not accusing anyone of anything... I'm just saying I get a bad feeling about these kinds of scenarios because it has a Bernerd Goetz feel to it.
People who seem eager to have the opportunity to employ a firearm. I can see how it'd be a great story to tell your grandkids. I think it's possible for someone to have a slightly skewed view - to lump people into the bad guy category and to think that by pulling their pistol they are going to be coming to the rescue and that when the police arrive they are going to be congratulated for dispatching the scumbags, and they will be seen as heros. But it really might not go that way, especially if there was escalation on the part of the shooter or someone in his party. Might be facing a very expensive and prolonged legal battle to try to avoid a conviction and jail time. Not to mention the civil suits... |
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The proper use of a firearm could have influenced this situation in a number of ways. Had I been Tim, depending on the exact circumstances, I would have drawn as soon as it became apparent that the vehicle had adjusted its course to hit me. Depending on the speed of the vehicle, the driver would have had but a second to readjust his course before I fired. Where im from, attempting to run someone over is attempting to kill them. Your opinion may vary.
Had I been Chris or the co-worker, again dependent on the exact circumstances, I would have immediately retrieved Tim while telling the other to call the police. I would have retreated back toward the work truck/van, and drawn when the vehicle pulled back into the station. I cannot see a way the second situation would have unfolded if the police had been called. |
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After the brush with the Cadillac, I'd be on the phone with the police, reporting a pedestrian downed by a vehicle followed by an armed assault. License plate, color, year, description of occupants, etc.
My bet is the cops would have shown up PDQ and the second act would never have followed. |
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Well fist of all, If some yahooo clipped me with their car.. I would be on the phone with poilce and trying to give info on the car, tag and occupants.
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I'd be interested in reading the newpaper account. Do you have the name of the paper and date?
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I've yet to see a thread of this type where calling the police as soon as possible wasn't the best answer.
So I would have called the cops with the cars license number as soon as possible. I would then collect my stuff and find a safe place to wait. After swearing out a complaint I would happily anticipate my chance to appear as a witness against the people who hit me with the car. |
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If you feel threatened,especially from someone wielding a baseball bat which can SERIOUSLY injure or even KILL you,you have every right to pull out your handgun,rifle,knife,2x4, or chair etc and defend yourself,End of story!
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What do the pressure wash guys have in mind when they return to the same business to wash again? Or near by businesses? The thugs are going to attack again given their willingness to return in the 1st incident.
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As I read the scenario,and if I found myself in the same situation...
Once the initial fist fight was over I would of insisted my work crew leave immediately cause I would of anticipated a return from the youtes. We would leave job site, call and report info to police and take friend who was hit with car and those involved in fight to hospital for check.. |
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Not all of us are 23 years old, 6'3", 240 # and Navy SEAL trained.
Absent the details, many are jumping to conclusions. Some of us are 50+, in less than perfect health, etc. Those details matter, often quite a bit...and your options may be dictated by those limitations. |
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I would probably find a job where I don't get attacked by these sorts. For the situation at hand, escalating the fight was the wrong thing to do. De-escalate, as was stated. Or do what you have to do in order to protect yourself and your friends from a wanton attack when de-escalation fails.
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Good gracious, someone aiming a car at me is not getting the benefit of the doubt. Gangs of armed thugs coming at me are not getting the benefit of the doubt.
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I would think there would not be sufficient time to retreive a weapon at the split second when you figure the car is trying to hit you.
After the impact when they exit their vehicle with the intent to cause harm, the weapon comes out and they are presented with two choices determined by the distance from me to them. Whatever happens the next step is an immediate call to 911. |
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about to read every response(I haver read some) - thank you for a very explanatory, interesting thread. 1st impression:
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just read your edit - I am glad your buddy admitted it was stupid to stay. Only he can use that strong of a word. I wouldn't say that about him. Stuff happens!
I would've drawn in a heartbeat in this situation(going by exactly how it played out in southernguy's original post). they come back with their buddies after a MAJOR altercation/incident, they have weapons such as baseball bats and approach. Absolutely I would draw to defend myself and stand my ground. And this is another example of the fact that one does not have to draw every time they draw their weapon. The cops would have killed many perps having a bad day if that was true. all the best
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GUYZ WAKE UP WE NEED TO TALK HERE
SORRY, I WAS HAVING WITHDRAWALS TFL STYLE
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Kinda not much left to add.
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Mistake #1 was escalating the situation.
Mistake #2 was not calling the police at the first reasonable opportunity. Mistake #3 was staying there when there was a VERY high probability the assailants would return with reinforcements of some sort. When you become legally justified in drawing and/or firing a weapon depends on the laws in your area but the short answer is you are morally justified when the choice has been removed by the attacker. Quote:
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well said
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I don't look at it the same Exact way, but what you said pretty much makes a lot of sense to me.
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