Factory 6.5cm for a Vanguard

BoogieMan · February 6, 2020, 11:14 AM

What kind of groups have you been able to get out of factory 6.5cm with your Vanguard?
I have only tried Federal Non-typical 140gr sp. Best group out of a new rifle has been around 1.5". Plenty good for a kill. But, I would like to be under an inch at 100yds.
What do you recommend?

reynolds357 · February 6, 2020, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BoogieMan

What kind of groups have you been able to get out of factory 6.5cm with your Vanguard?
I have only tried Federal Non-typical 140gr sp. Best group out of a new rifle has been around 1.5". Plenty good for a kill. But, I would like to be under an inch at 100yds.
What do you recommend?

I have never seen a Vanguard that would not shoot sub minute.

jmr40 · February 6, 2020, 04:12 PM

For the money this is the best I've seen. My brother and his son-in-law don't handload and have been buying this locally for $13/box. There are a couple of places locally that carry it. I've seen them shoot some 4" groups at 600 yards with this ammo out of their Ruger Predators.

I tried a box through my Predator with sub MOA accuracy. But I can do a little better with my handloads. I can't load them for this price though.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020605499?pid=865833

The Hornady Match ammo will do as well as my handloads, but is over 2X the cost of the S&B ammo

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSear...temsPerPage=48

For hunting ammo this
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101693199?pid=259413

BoogieMan · February 6, 2020, 08:04 PM

I had planned on the Hornady 143gr precision hunter. When I bought ammo I was limited for time and couldn't wait for shipping.
I'll put it on my list for ammo order

std7mag · February 7, 2020, 01:29 AM

I have had a Vangard that was the worst shooting rifle i'd ever seen!

Only gun i was happy to sell!!!

I'll never own another Vangard again!
Howa either!

BoogieMan · February 7, 2020, 06:42 AM

@std7mag- sounds like you got a lemon. Howa/Vanguard have really good reviews and recommendations. But, every manufacturer makes a couple bad ones. You just got lucky

Colorado Redneck · February 7, 2020, 10:44 PM

Hornady Outfitter (used to be Full Boar) with the GMX 120 gr. bullet worked really well in my Vanguard s2. Hornady Precision was sub moa at 100 yds. Hornady Whitetail was ok...can't recall exacty, been a few years.

CarJunkieLS1 · February 8, 2020, 05:12 PM

I won't ever own or recommend a Weatherby/Howa again. Worst shooting rifle I ever had, and Weatherbys CS was no help at all.

std7mag · February 8, 2020, 05:19 PM

@BoogieMan,
Well that's one more than i've ever had with Savage, Ruger, or Interarms Whitworth Mark X, Browning, Mossberg, or Forbes.

I've heard of the Mossberg Patriot being hit or miss.
Hence why i never bought one of those (along with only offering a 22" barrel even for 7mm Rem Mag).

I've been bitten. I'm not petting that dog again.

BoogieMan · February 8, 2020, 07:10 PM

@std7mag- that's why they make so many flavors. I have heard lots of issues with Kimber and Tikka and some people swear by them. Only gun I ever owned that was bad was a Franchi.

reynolds357 · February 8, 2020, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CarJunkieLS1

I won't ever own or recommend a Weatherby/Howa again. Worst shooting rifle I ever had, and Weatherbys CS was no help at all.

I have had over 40 Weatherby rifles. Still have 17 or 18 of them. Most are 1/2 minute. All but one were sub minute. It was a Mark V 460 Wby. Truth be known, it might have been sub minute , but I had to shoot it off the bags with a death grip on it and it still thumped me pretty hard.

std7mag · February 9, 2020, 02:28 AM

There's a HUGE difference between a Mark V and a Vangard!!!

stagpanther · February 9, 2020, 02:44 AM

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but I had to shoot it off the bags with a death grip on it and it still thumped me pretty hard.

Friend has a 300 WM featherweight MK 5--now that's a fun rifle to shoot!

reynolds357 · February 9, 2020, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by std7mag

There's a HUGE difference between a Mark V and a Vangard!!!

Yep, the Vanguards are usually more accurate.

std7mag · February 9, 2020, 10:00 AM

Hopefully, when i grow up, i'll own a Mark V in 257 Weatherby Magnum.
Well, before i have great grandchildren...

reynolds357 · February 9, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by std7mag

Hopefully, when i grow up, i'll own a Mark V in 257 Weatherby Magnum.
Well, before i have great grandchildren...

I have a 257 Vanguard. I love it.
I only have Mark V in chamberings not offered in Vanguard. I got a deal on Mark Vs several years ago. My friend was sporting goods manager at WalMart. New store manager came in and told him to liquidate all the high end stuff. He called me and told me if I would take a lot of Mark Vs, I could have them for $425 each.

Colorado Redneck · February 9, 2020, 09:23 PM

reynolds357

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He called me and told me if I would take a lot of Mark Vs, I could have them for $425 each.

So didja buy a lot?

reynolds357 · February 9, 2020, 10:46 PM

Bought more than 20. Still have all of them but 1. My friend kept bugging me for the 375 Wby so I parted with it. I am not a big 375 wby fan anyway.

stagpanther · February 11, 2020, 11:17 PM

If you're shooting a 460 WM--especially if doesn't have a brake--you are a manly man standing out among manly men!

reynolds357 · February 11, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stagpanther

If you're shooting a 460 WM--especially if doesn't have a brake--you are a manly man standing out among manly men!

I had a 460 that was factory ported. It was mean. The porting was no where near as efficient as a brake.

stagpanther · February 12, 2020, 06:49 AM

A full power load is approaching 100 ftlbs of recoil, what was your technique? I'm going to be shooting a 416 WM soon which isn't far behind the 460.

reynolds357 · February 12, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stagpanther

A full power load is approaching 100 ftlbs of recoil, what was your technique? I'm going to be shooting a 416 WM soon which isn't far behind the 460.

Standing- Death grip on rifle. Do not lean into it.
Bench-lead sled. tie the barrel down so it cant flip up. Dont weight the sled too heavy or you will crack a wood stock in short order.

stagpanther · February 12, 2020, 06:37 PM

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Standing- Death grip on rifle. Do not lean into it.
Bench-lead sled. tie the barrel down so it cant flip up. Dont weight the sled too heavy or you will crack a wood stock in short order.

My 375 Ruger hits pretty hard (it's a lightweight rifle and has no brake) and I find pulling in fairly hard to the shoulder helps with the recoil, was wondering if that might be helpful with these WM's.

reynolds357 · February 13, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stagpanther

My 375 Ruger hits pretty hard (it's a lightweight rifle and has no brake) and I find pulling in fairly hard to the shoulder helps with the recoil, was wondering if that might be helpful with these WM's.

Yep. That is part of what I call "death grip".

February 6, 2020, 11:14 AM	#1
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	Factory 6.5cm for a Vanguard What kind of groups have you been able to get out of factory 6.5cm with your Vanguard? I have only tried Federal Non-typical 140gr sp. Best group out of a new rifle has been around 1.5". Plenty good for a kill. But, I would like to be under an inch at 100yds. What do you recommend? __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

February 6, 2020, 04:12 PM	#3
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,808	For the money this is the best I've seen. My brother and his son-in-law don't handload and have been buying this locally for $13/box. There are a couple of places locally that carry it. I've seen them shoot some 4" groups at 600 yards with this ammo out of their Ruger Predators. I tried a box through my Predator with sub MOA accuracy. But I can do a little better with my handloads. I can't load them for this price though. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020605499?pid=865833 The Hornady Match ammo will do as well as my handloads, but is over 2X the cost of the S&B ammo https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSear...temsPerPage=48 For hunting ammo this https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101693199?pid=259413 __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

February 6, 2020, 08:04 PM	#4
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	I had planned on the Hornady 143gr precision hunter. When I bought ammo I was limited for time and couldn't wait for shipping. I'll put it on my list for ammo order __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

February 7, 2020, 01:29 AM	#5
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	I have had a Vangard that was the worst shooting rifle i'd ever seen! Only gun i was happy to sell!!! I'll never own another Vangard again! Howa either! __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 7, 2020, 06:42 AM	#6
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	@std7mag- sounds like you got a lemon. Howa/Vanguard have really good reviews and recommendations. But, every manufacturer makes a couple bad ones. You just got lucky __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

February 7, 2020, 10:44 PM	#7
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	Hornady Outfitter (used to be Full Boar) with the GMX 120 gr. bullet worked really well in my Vanguard s2. Hornady Precision was sub moa at 100 yds. Hornady Whitetail was ok...can't recall exacty, been a few years.

February 8, 2020, 05:12 PM	#8
CarJunkieLS1 Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 686	I won't ever own or recommend a Weatherby/Howa again. Worst shooting rifle I ever had, and Weatherbys CS was no help at all.

February 8, 2020, 05:19 PM	#9
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	@BoogieMan, Well that's one more than i've ever had with Savage, Ruger, or Interarms Whitworth Mark X, Browning, Mossberg, or Forbes. I've heard of the Mossberg Patriot being hit or miss. Hence why i never bought one of those (along with only offering a 22" barrel even for 7mm Rem Mag). I've been bitten. I'm not petting that dog again. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 8, 2020, 07:10 PM	#10
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	@std7mag- that's why they make so many flavors. I have heard lots of issues with Kimber and Tikka and some people swear by them. Only gun I ever owned that was bad was a Franchi. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

February 9, 2020, 02:28 AM	#12
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	There's a HUGE difference between a Mark V and a Vangard!!! __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 9, 2020, 10:00 AM	#15
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Hopefully, when i grow up, i'll own a Mark V in 257 Weatherby Magnum. Well, before i have great grandchildren... __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 9, 2020, 10:46 PM	#18
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	Bought more than 20. Still have all of them but 1. My friend kept bugging me for the 375 Wby so I parted with it. I am not a big 375 wby fan anyway. Last edited by reynolds357; February 9, 2020 at 10:51 PM.

February 11, 2020, 11:17 PM	#19
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,787	If you're shooting a 460 WM--especially if doesn't have a brake--you are a manly man standing out among manly men! __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

February 12, 2020, 06:49 AM	#21
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,787	A full power load is approaching 100 ftlbs of recoil, what was your technique? I'm going to be shooting a 416 WM soon which isn't far behind the 460. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*