December 8, 2009, 12:35 AM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 7, 2004
Location: NM
Posts: 421
|
Glocks at 500 yards?
On another thread, the accuracy of the .40S&W has been questioned.
We just went out a few weeks ago and pushed a G35 out to 500 yards. 500 yards?! Yeah and it's not really as hard as one might think. No sandbags or machine rests, just leaning over the toolbox of the truck, I was able to put 7 of 14 shots in 39", on target. Which, if you figure that out, boils down to less than 2" at 25 yards which is not bad in itself. Actually, it may be a little better than that considering the breeze. The pic below is the actual range. A measured 500 yds. The target is a 4x8 sheet of wafer board The 7 hits with the heavy circles around them are the G35 hits. The 5 hits with the circles and the little arrows under them are, believe it or not, a .22 rifle. We were relaying information by radio and when Jason told me that I had 3 consecutive hits with the .22, I quit. The other hits are from a .40 caliber Kel-Tec Sub 2000. This video clip is a standing, unsupported shot with a different G35 at 200 yds. And here's a G27 at 200 yards... The point of all this is not to demonstrate MY shooting ability but rather to show that extreme long distance accuracy with a service-style handgun is attainable. The guns were nothing special and have stock barrels in them. Damn inaccurate Glocks! We conduct Long-Range Handgun classes here from time-to-time and routinely have students making first-round hits at 200 by the second day. Does the .40 S&W still have any ass left by the time it has traveled 500 yards? I don't think I would care anything about trying to catch one of them! All the bullets went through the wafer board and went 7-9" deep into a loose sand bank behind the target. 2 of the .40's went through the wafer board, the 2x4 frame and still buried themselves 5-7" into the sand. The first time we tried this, we used 55-gallon drums for targets. The .40 bullets went through both sides with no problem at all.
__________________
Desertscout Southwest Shooting Authority Colts and Kimbers are what you show your friends. Glocks are what you show your enemies. |
December 8, 2009, 01:31 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 27, 2008
Posts: 1,032
|
Nice ! Long range hand gun shooting , NICE !
Last edited by noyes; December 8, 2009 at 08:18 AM. |
December 8, 2009, 01:56 AM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 3, 2008
Posts: 2,109
|
Very impressive!
It explains the power behind bullet and the precaution needed thereto. |
December 8, 2009, 03:44 AM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 25, 2009
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
|
these "i can shoot a glock at 200 yards" threads have an undeserved "wow" effect.
you can take pretty much any quality autopistol in 40cal and consistently hit targets out to 200 yards. glock is far from the only one that will do this. Last edited by dances with guns; December 8, 2009 at 04:00 AM. |
December 8, 2009, 04:06 AM | #5 | |
Staff
Join Date: February 12, 2001
Location: DFW Area
Posts: 24,972
|
Quote:
__________________
Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?
Last edited by JohnKSa; December 8, 2009 at 04:12 AM. Reason: Fix responses to now edited post. |
|
December 8, 2009, 07:53 AM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 12, 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 530
|
I watched an instructor at Blackwater dinging a 8" steel plate at 100 yards with a Glock 17. One right after the other at 100 yards. Standing, two hand hold, unsupported. Made it look easy. I didn't try it, it was a carbine class, but I felt like I could have done it as well.
|
December 8, 2009, 08:04 AM | #7 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 14, 2009
Location: Sunshine and Keystone States
Posts: 4,461
|
Quote:
|
|
December 8, 2009, 08:11 AM | #8 |
Junior member
Join Date: November 12, 2000
Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado
Posts: 9,494
|
Nah, Elmer Keith was shootin handguns at extreme distances when you were still peein in your diddies florida boy...Gonna call him stupid?
|
December 8, 2009, 08:13 AM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 14, 2009
Location: Sunshine and Keystone States
Posts: 4,461
|
Was he shooting Glocks?
I'm just observing that the few threads and videos I have seen on this long-range topic always seem to involve Glocks |
December 8, 2009, 08:16 AM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 29, 2006
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 515
|
I used to shoot 45s at steel targets at 100 yards.
IIRC, I always felt like I was holding the gun at about a 45 degree angle to the ground, although I think I was only sighting it a foot or so above the target. Its not all that hard to hit a 2 foot square plate that way. Can't say I hit it every time.
__________________
bob Disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, cop, soldier, gunsmith, politician, plumber, electrician, or a professional practitioner of many of the other things I comment on in this forum. |
December 8, 2009, 02:17 PM | #11 |
Staff
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 28,818
|
It has nothing to do with Glocks....
The trick to long range shooting of any handgun is (for me) not aiming above the target, but holding up the front sight, with the target on top of it.
I can regularly hit the 200yd gong at my local range with my 7.5" .45 Colt Blackhawk, and with a few sighter shots, any other handgun you care to name, and this I do, offhand, one handed. All one needs is a little skill, some practice (in my case, only about 35 years or so), and a suitable sandy backdrop to spot the shots. Once you learn how much drop to compensate for, at any given distance, it doesn't change. Then all you have to allow for is the wind! Doing it from a rested position just makes it easier! Yes, you are pointing the pistol pretty well up in the air for really long shots, but thats just the nature of the physics involved. Think "howitzer".
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better. |
December 8, 2009, 02:26 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 7, 2005
Location: right there
Posts: 1,882
|
impressive, but not impossible. We only played "el presidente" at 70m recently. Went pretty well, but way slower that at 7m....
__________________
Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war |
December 8, 2009, 02:37 PM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 23, 2009
Location: Ft. Collins, CO.
Posts: 398
|
What was the sight picture / hold over you were using?
|
December 8, 2009, 02:55 PM | #14 |
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Austin, CO
Posts: 19,578
|
In a theoretical world....
It would look something like this:
A mere 13 1/2 feet high at 250 yards, with a measly 8 or so feet of wind drift in 10mph
__________________
Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley Last edited by Brian Pfleuger; December 8, 2009 at 03:14 PM. |
December 8, 2009, 05:24 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 16, 2008
Posts: 1,692
|
When I was young and in my prime .I could hit clay birds at 100 yds with my 357 ruger security six within three shots .But sad to say that was then and this is today .I can't see them now at 100 yds.
__________________
No Gun Big Or Small Does It All |
December 8, 2009, 05:26 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 29, 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 2,346
|
As the OP stated, this is not about his ability, the Glock or anything else, EXCEPT as a follow on repsonse to the thread about "Is the .40S&W cartridge accurate or not?"
He is just giving an example that a stock pistol (I believe he mentions at least the Glock and XD) in .40 and other calibers is plenty accurate (correlating to 2" at 25yds I think he said). No one with a pet handgun or cartridge should take offense. This is actually good stuff. He isn't making outrageous claims for you to debunk about brands favorites. This is what we call "fun!"
__________________
"The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition." - James Madison
|
December 8, 2009, 05:44 PM | #17 |
Member
Join Date: November 27, 2008
Posts: 25
|
Sure don't look like 500 yards to me. More like 150. I took a deer last week with my 7mag at 185 scoped. No way at 150:barf:
__________________
"Its our job to put a chunk of steel in our fist and kill the sons-of-bitches that our coming to kill our children!" Lt. Col. Dave Crossman |
December 8, 2009, 05:48 PM | #18 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 25, 2009
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
|
Quote:
i had this in my original post, but deleted it as i wasn't sure if i was the only one lol. i'm now calling BS on this thread. there's no way a 40cal bullet is going to travel 500 yards, and then penetrate completely through a steel drum. |
|
December 8, 2009, 05:56 PM | #19 |
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Austin, CO
Posts: 19,578
|
Perspective and facts are your friends gentlemen.
Perspective, look at the apparent size of the telephone poles. That is NOT 150 yards. Facts, a 40SW at 500 yards is still carrying nearly the ft/lbs of a 22lr at the muzzle, and a considerable momentum. It would certainly penetrate what amounts to a tin can.
__________________
Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley |
December 8, 2009, 05:58 PM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 1, 2009
Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma
Posts: 8,638
|
Does anyone remember the Rifleman episode,,,
Where some low-life saddle bum stole his Winchester,,,
Somehow Lucas McCain had a Colt pistol,,, I don't remember how, but he did,,, Probably the bad guy's Colt. He picked up a board that "conveniently" had an oblong hole in it,,, Stuck the barrel of the pistol through the hole,,, Jammed a small stick in an upright position into the back (read rear stock) of the board to use as a rear sight,,, And shot the bad guy at a ba-zillion yards. My Dad was very intrigued with that concept,,, He went out to the shop, took a 1 x 6 and recreated what we saw on television. The next day we went out to the woods with my Colt Frontier Scout (.22 lr),,, And with a little bit of adjusting the "rear sight" he (not me) was soon hitting a 2 lb coffee can at a bit over 100 yards. I support what 44 AMP said: "The trick to long range shooting of any handgun is (for me) not aiming above the target, but holding up the front sight, with the target on top of it." That's what the board did,,, It steadied the pistol and the length of the board provided a rifle-like sight radius for aiming. Dad started with a "tall rear sight" and kept cutting it shorter until he had it locked on that evil Can-O-Folgers. I hadn't thought about that event for over 45 years,,, The comment by 44 AMP reminded me of it. Aarond |
December 8, 2009, 05:59 PM | #21 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 25, 2009
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
|
Quote:
incidentally, a 22lr will not penetrate a steel drum at close range. it'll ricochet right off. |
|
December 8, 2009, 06:27 PM | #22 |
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: June 25, 2008
Location: Austin, CO
Posts: 19,578
|
I don't know what kind of anemic 22 you use or if you've got 1/4 inch steel drums in your area but we used to shoot the crap out of a couple of old steel drums with the 22. It goes through at a fair distance, certainly 50 yards.
__________________
Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley |
December 8, 2009, 06:42 PM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 17, 2005
Location: Swamp dweller
Posts: 6,187
|
Jezz this is out of my range. I doubt I could see the target that's over a quarter mile away ( 5 football fields )
Sounds like something the boys on impossible shots should try. Bob and Jerry should be able to make child's play out of this.
__________________
NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be. |
December 8, 2009, 06:56 PM | #24 |
Member
Join Date: October 16, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 36
|
22 goes right through a steel drum at close range. Heck, it'll even do that out of my mosquito.
|
December 8, 2009, 07:02 PM | #25 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 26, 2004
Location: Louisville KY
Posts: 13,806
|
...maybe dead on. The 22's i've fired at drums made a nice gouge and ricoche'd off into the woods if hit slightly to one side.
|
|
|