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Old August 16, 2019, 01:42 PM   #26
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My grandfather had a 1911 and a 12 gage sxs. My father had a 1911 and a 12 gage sxs. I have a 1911 and a 12 gage sxs, among others.

It shoots a 45 caliber bullet reliably, accurately and in a controllable fashion. It is flat enough to conceal, most of the time.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:09 PM   #27
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they work with out a lot of maintence.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:29 PM   #28
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I'm a revolver guy.

And no gun - NO GUN - feels better in my hand than a 1911. They are so natural and easy to shoot. They are special. I have three 1911's.

If that wasn't enough (it is), as a handloader of ammunition, the 45 ACP round is fun and easy to craft.

What a fantastic gun! I really have no desire to shoot any other semi-auto.

Thank you John Moses Browning.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:29 PM   #29
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History, tradition. In my case, they fit my hand fine. Round has a proven record of stopping power. Any problems with "inaccuracy" are due to lack of training and practice on the part of the shooter.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:39 PM   #30
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No better ergonomics for me.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:54 PM   #31
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To sum it up, 1911s are easy to shoot well by just about anyone. My pint-sized wife can shoot any 1911 in the house and so can a big moose like myself. Her hand is tiny, I wear a 2XL sized men's glove. By some black magic known only to John Moses Browning and lost since his passing, the same grip is comfy for both and makes us look like we might know what we are about at the range.

Freaky. That JMB knew what he was doing.

After working with my wife, kids, and other smallish-sized humans, I have been won over to the 1911 as a fine starting centerfire pistol...if you chamber it in 9mm. .45ACP is not nasty recoil, but 9mm in an all-steel GM 1911 is a quite mild.
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Old August 16, 2019, 02:56 PM   #32
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I have to admit if my wife and daughter were more pistol savvy the 1911 would be in my carry rotation.
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Old August 16, 2019, 03:17 PM   #33
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I've sworn more at them than by them. I've had more malfunctions from 1911's than everything else combined. But for nostalgic reasons I've had many over the years. I gave both of my kids one when they moved out and still have 2 of my own.

But the legend of the 1911 is more mythology than fact. Much of what Cooper wrote about both the 1911 and 45 ACP was fiction, but at least 2 generations of shooters were heavily influenced by what he wrote.

For many types of competition a 1911 is still as good as it gets. But as a viable gun for LE, HD, and military use it was passed by 70 years ago
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Old August 16, 2019, 03:23 PM   #34
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Old August 16, 2019, 03:55 PM   #35
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First question should be "Have you ever fired a nice 1911?". If you have, that should end the questions.
That's exactly what did it for me over 30 years ago. A fiend of mine was visiting and brought his Clark Custom Combat conversion on his Colt 1911. He let me shoot it and I was shooting more accurately then I had with any other handgun I had ever fired!

My current 1911 is a stock Springfield Range Officer and I shoot it far better than any of my Sig , Glock or Smith semi-autos.
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Old August 16, 2019, 04:26 PM   #36
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Mankind crawled through muck for centuries. Unsure of himself. Not able to fight out even a small niche to call his own. Stronger men stepped on weaker ones, only to be cut down by even stronger men as they reached pointlessly for a better life.


Females hampered by the burden of childbearing found themselves at the mercy of cruel men bent on pleasure seeking and abuse. Oh we tried and tried. Different systems, new religions, over and over again, but always our bestial nature ripped happiness from our screaming bloodied fingers.


Then a quiet man came. He thought in a different way and he gave us a gift. The gift is perfect in everyway. Efficient, beautiful, not costly. It changed the world. The gift.... a 1911. The Man ....John Moses Browning. There had been fakers before and there will no doubt be pretenders in the future. Only one given by a small quiet man will stand the test of time.


Because of him and his perfect invention a small man in the right need no longer fear a larger bully. A woman may guard her virtue in a manner so deadly as to give any man pause . Because of the 1911 we can bath ourselves in the glory of Civilization. That is as long as we never forget the quiet man and his gift.


Hang your pretty guns on the wall as a testament to technology and plastic. Praise them now for they will be short lived and bring only false hope. Sleep with your 1911 and seven round balls, messengers of righteousness and death.


We face a new demon today. It is a great pretender. The multiculturally headed beast tells us to forget John and his gift. Softly it lulls us to sleep. Its tells us to trigger lock and castrate our 1911 for the sake of the children. It comes in the guise of reasonable men seeking fairness for all. But we scream back and brandish or heritage! Politicians blink in the glare of cleansing sun light glancing off the polished gun metal of millions of 1911s.
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Old August 16, 2019, 05:56 PM   #37
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For many types of competition a 1911 is still as good as it gets. But as a viable gun for LE, HD, and military use it was passed by 70 years ago
Not everyone swears by the 1911. I like looking at them. I like reading about them. I like the history behind them.

But then I shoot them and I'm like... nah.

I've owned like 6-7 of them, most of them costing well over $1000 (not a brag, just want to explain that I've tried "good" 1911s). I still own... 0 of them.

I don't need:
- The weight
- The limited capacity
- The 45 ACP cartridge (gasp, I said it) (and yes, I know it comes in other cartridges)
- The dodgy reliability

They're awesome eye candy, and will I buy another someday? Yeah, probably won't be able to help myself... but I certainly don't swear by them.
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Old August 16, 2019, 06:20 PM   #38
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The 1911 has great ergos, good sight radius, a slim profile that lets a big pistol conceal well, and the trigger is still the gold standard that other pistol triggers are measured against over a century later.

It has its drawbacks of course - limited capacity, less reliability than modern pistols, and a poor service life compared to modern pistols. The fact that many professionals still choose it despite that says a lot about its good qualities.
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Old August 16, 2019, 06:25 PM   #39
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Others have talked about the trigger, recoil management, ergonomics, etc. But, a commander-sized or smaller 1911 also makes an excellent concealed carry weapon under a jacket or even a t-shirt because of its thinness.

I would not call the reliability of 1911s "dodgy." I would say that with all the different manufacturers of 1911s and the large number of after-market makers of parts, that sometimes somebody gets a pistol that needs tweaking. Maybe the extractor needs tuned or something of that nature. Most manufacturers these days have excellent service and many pick up the postage cost. I always consider service when buying any gun.

I'm a big fan of 1911s, but handguns are not a "one size fits all" device.
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Old August 16, 2019, 07:20 PM   #40
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The 1911 is a work of art much like great paintings it will live forever, accurate, easy to shoot, easy to work on, like a good wife impossible to replace.
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Old August 16, 2019, 07:21 PM   #41
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Easiest semi-auto pistol for me to shoot. Easiest pistol with which to train my kids. Still the pistol I reach for when I want to show off by shooting stuff at 100yds.
I don't care about it's history, nor do I care about some old WWII-era clunker. My first 1911 was a 1997 Clackamas Oregon Kimber classic and I fell in love with it. I was coming from SA/DA revolvers and Glock 19. In around 2000 I bought a Kimber Pro Carry - which to this day I think is the best shooting concealed weapon I've ever used.

I would start kids with a 22lr pistol. When safe and proficient , I would give them a choice between the G19 or the full-size Kimber. They would always choose the Glock because they saw them on TV. Not one kid could shoot the Glock worth beans. Once they were frustrated I would switch them to the 1911 and they were hooked! Really put my Dillon SDB to use..

That old Kimber went to my oldest daughter. The Pro-Carry went to the middle daughter. The Glock went to my son. And I'm into M&P40 compact right now - but it is nowhere near as accurate as the Kimber.

I thought about a 1911 in 10mm - who knows..
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Old August 16, 2019, 07:45 PM   #42
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But the legend of the 1911 is more mythology than fact. Much of what Cooper wrote about both the 1911 and 45 ACP was fiction, but at least 2 generations of shooters were heavily influenced by what he wrote.
Care to elaborate?
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Old August 16, 2019, 08:25 PM   #43
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People are allowed to be super fans of their guns
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Old August 16, 2019, 09:08 PM   #44
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Because some guy named Jeff Cooper spilled barrels of ink extolling the virtues of the 1911 while denigrating the Crunch Tickers (9 mm's) as worthless junk. Never mind that the 1911 has been modified so many times by so many gunsmiths...kinda like Glock Perfection....they are now on Gen. 5...so much for perfection.
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Old August 16, 2019, 09:29 PM   #45
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For the same reason I love the Colt SAA in revolvers. They always work, great trigger, accurate, I understand how they work and can disassemble and reassemble myself and can improve them with modifications I can do myself. Fired my first one at 18, as an Army Private in MP school. Been a fan ever since.
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Old August 17, 2019, 12:03 AM   #46
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Post #20 gets it. Just remember, a 9mm may expand, but, a .45 will never shrink.
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Old August 17, 2019, 12:34 AM   #47
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1. Because they work really well for some people.

2. Because they are a solid and established design that has been tinkered with, modified, and perfected over a century of use. It would be more surprising if that kind of attention did NOT result in a handgun that attracted dedicated followers than that it has.

3. Because they have an impressive history. I don't have any interest in owning a 1911, but even I can see the appeal in owning and carrying a handgun invented by Browning himself, that served the U.S. military for many decades through two world wars, and even now, over 100 years later is still commonly used for serious competition and social work.

4. Because dad, uncle, grandfather, my favorite fictional character, my favorite competitive shooter, my favorite gun writer, the guy at the gun store that seems knowledgeable says they are awesome.

I'm not claiming that's a complete list...
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Old August 17, 2019, 03:39 AM   #48
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I own 1 1911, with 2 different barrels so i need to have more than 1 1911, not to say i wouldn't mind having a Coonan 357 and/or a LAR Grizzly.
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Old August 17, 2019, 03:51 AM   #49
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I've sworn more at them than by them. I've had more malfunctions from 1911's than everything else combined. But for nostalgic reasons I've had many over the years. I gave both of my kids one when they moved out and still have 2 of my own.

But the legend of the 1911 is more mythology than fact. Much of what Cooper wrote about both the 1911 and 45 ACP was fiction, but at least 2 generations of shooters were heavily influenced by what he wrote.

For many types of competition a 1911 is still as good as it gets. But as a viable gun for LE, HD, and military use it was passed by 70 years ago
jmr...I agree with most of what you say, good post...the 1911 is easiest for me to shoot well of any handgun but I have had more malfunctions with it than any other until I found the magazines one or the other liked.

Curious about the "fiction" in Jeff Cooper's praise of the 1911. Can you elaborate, please?
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Old August 17, 2019, 04:45 AM   #50
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After 40 years of shooting revolvers I finally went back and shot a 1911. Wow! It just fit my hand right and I shoot some amazing groups. I never experienced a jam. The fit and finish were excellent and I like the .45.

When Jeff Cooper was comparing .45 to 9 mm the 9s were dismal for self defense. Today the 9s have mush better bullet designs and are a good man stopper but back then nothing beat the .45 for one stop shootings.
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