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Old July 31, 2019, 09:48 AM   #26
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I don't see it as "worthless". There are plenty of threads on here that I don't care about, some of them even from you. I just don't participate in them. At some level this is a place for enthusiasts. It's okay to just like something and want to share liking that thing with a group of people who might appreciate it. Wanting a sense of community and sharing experiences online if you don't have that community locally isn't worthless, IMO.
That's nice. I still find it worthless.
I do actually like to come here to learn things. But you get what you pay for, I suppose.
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Old July 31, 2019, 11:16 AM   #27
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That's nice. I still find it worthless.
I do actually like to come here to learn things. But you get what you pay for, I suppose.
You can find it however you want.

Learn things? Sure. But it's not a requirement for posting here, as if it were this forum likely wouldn't have many of its threads, again including some of yours and some of mine. Doesn't mean I tell the OP I think it's worthless, because I think that sort of contribution is itself worthless (what a paradox ). But to each his own.

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Old July 31, 2019, 11:35 AM   #28
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Photon guy,
I'm glad you have a pride of ownership and enjoyment with your pistol.
I can appreciate the craftsmanship and detail that goes into something.

I haven't been able to have a big name gunsmith pistol But I have had a local gunsmith friend build a norinco 1911 to my specifications, and am extremely satisfied with the quality of his work and attention to detail,and the function.
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:14 PM   #29
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The Nighthawk pistols are no doubt cool pieces with a good reputation. If you want and can afford one, by all means go for it. I definitely own some firearms that I bought because I find them cool to me.

No offense, though - the performance you are bragging about can be achieved by a $120 Hi-Point. Or an EAA Witness 10mm or Glock 20 (the least expensive 10mm pistols I can think of) if 10mm is a must.

I totally get wanting to show off or discuss your nice acquisition, but perhaps that would be done better by showing us what makes the Nighthawk Predator so great. Maybe nice photos of the awesome machining, features, or workmanship (like bac1023 does with the awesome collection he has). Show or explain to us what makes it unique and cool - more "meat" than a post bragging about how your Nighthawk can do what pretty every other semi-automatic ever made can do.
You would have to fire it to know what I mean. I can show you all the photos and videos in the world but that would not be the same thing as if you were to fire it and experience it for yourself. I've fired many different types of guns including Glocks and from my experience the way the Nighthawk fires, it fires the best. Like I said, you would have to feel how it fires to know what I mean which means you would have to fire it yourself. The only other gun that I've fired which I would say can be compared with how the Nighthawk fires is the Coonan. The Coonan fires beautifully, but for me the Nighthawk beats out even the Coonan in how it fires.
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:17 PM   #30
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I have a Nighthawk Falcon and absolutely love it. Some folks will never understand spending that much money on a pistol when others will do the same job. This is where I point out the $50,000 or $60,000 cars and pickups don’t get you from point A to point B any faster than KIA, at least not legally. That’s okay. Nearly everybody has that “thing” that want to have the very best of.
My point exactly. A Toyota will get you from point A to point B just as well as a Ferrari but some people like to break the bank and go with the Ferrari even if it will not get them from point A to point B any faster legally. Just as some people splurge on cars I splurge on guns from time to time. And besides, as expensive as a gun splurge can be I can't imagine it being anywhere as expensive as a car splurge or a yacht splurge. So anyway, what caliber is your Nighthawk?
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:22 PM   #31
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Put as much $ into training and ammo as you did into the pistol.
I do, at least with the training. I've got a lifetime membership to Front Sight, perhaps the biggest shooting school in the country, its located in Pahrump in Nevada, about an hour from Vegas. With my lifetime membership I take all the classes I want for the rest of my life and not pay anything for them. I've been there many times and I've managed to DG in the handgun class with a 9mm. Now, the next step is to DG with my 10mm Nighthawk.

As for ammo, I've got many completely full ammo cans and that's just the ammo that I haven't shot yet. As for the ammo I've shot, whenever you do take a class at Front Sight you shoot hundreds of rounds and I've been there many times, not to mention all the times I've been to the range and have gone shooting there.
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:27 PM   #32
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Not sure if I was supposed to be one of the "some folks."

I can appreciate well-made, expensive pistols and why someone would want to buy one.

I also understand that that OP came here and basically said "the Nighthawk is so awesome because I can hit the target with it, but hitting the target with it feels more awesomer than with a cheaper pistol".

That's a worthless post to me. A waste of bandwidth.

I better approach would have been to show or explain what makes the Nighthawk such a great pistol, regardless of cost.
If you ask me, I would say it would be more awesome to hit a target with a cheap pistol than with a really expensive gun such as a Nighthawk. Why? Because its much more of a challenge. A Nighthawk is going to be much more accurate and handle much better than a cheap pistol and as such it will make it much easier to hit a target. A cheap pistol is good if you want a challenge at target shooting, but its not something I would want in a gun fight if I can get a better alternative.

Just like breaking clay pigeons with a .410 shotgun is a much greater challenge than doing so with a 12 gauge, but in a life or death fight I would rather have a 12 gauge than a .410
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:29 PM   #33
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I can do all of that and more with my ole $400 Gold Cup with a busted dust tube. It ain't the bow and arrow it's the injun.
You must be a really good shot.
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:30 PM   #34
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To PhotonGuy, I can appreciate your enthusiasm about your Nighthawk and the accuracy you achieve with it. They are fairly expensive, well made guns and if you're happy with it then the cost was well worth it and negative comments from others are irrelevant.
Well I don't own a Ferrari or a yacht, so instead I will settle for a Nighthawk, which I would rather own anyway.
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Old August 3, 2019, 05:34 PM   #35
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I have always appreciated a well made firearm. For that matter I love to see the work of genuine craftsmen who go out of their way to make the finest firearm they are capable of. In many ways, the idea of a genuine craftsman is pushed aside in the gun industry in favor of computer controlled machining processes. Nighthawk advertises their attention to each firearm as being crafted by a single individual gunsmith; from my observation their quality is quite good. No, I do not own one. The only gun I ever bought that came close to that was my Freedom Arms .454 that I bought about 25 years ago; that too was a well made handgun, built with precision and attention to detail. I remember how good I felt when I finally could afford that Freedom Arms gun. Shooting it the first time was extra special, even though the firearm was far more accurate than I could be the first time out. I don’t look to buy high dollar guns like that anymore, but I love 1911 pistols too, and since I want it to run smooth and shoot straight and be able to hold the builder accountable...I am building my own...but that is another story.
Give PhotonGuy a break and let him savor the new pistol. He is just trying to share his joy and enthusiasm. Congrats on the new pistol PhotonGuy!
Actually I've had the gun for 2 years now. I got it back in July 25, 2017 I was celebrating Christmas in July. When I first got it I only fired one box of 50 rounds with it then I put it in my safe where it stayed until this past April when I took it to a shooting class and fired hundreds of rounds with it. So this past April is the first time when I really heavily used it. Did really well in the shooting class.
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Old August 3, 2019, 07:00 PM   #36
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Actually I've had the gun for 2 years now. I got it back in July 25, 2017 I was celebrating Christmas in July. When I first got it I only fired one box of 50 rounds with it then I put it in my safe where it stayed until this past April when I took it to a shooting class and fired hundreds of rounds with it. So this past April is the first time when I really heavily used it. Did really well in the shooting class.
Wow, that is showing a lot of restraint, letting it sit that long! Really running it some in the shooting class had to feel good! Glad you are enjoying it! Gun like that ought to bring a lot of smiles shooting for a lot of years.
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Old August 3, 2019, 09:04 PM   #37
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Wow, that is showing a lot of restraint, letting it sit that long! Really running it some in the shooting class had to feel good! Glad you are enjoying it! Gun like that ought to bring a lot of smiles shooting for a lot of years.
At first I was reluctant to shoot such a nice gun so I only fired one box to try it out on the day I got it and then I put it in my safe. Then I decided to put it to the test and see how well I could do with it at a shooting class, and see how well it handles lots of use so I used it at the shooting class. In between the time I got the gun and when I used it in the class I was shooting some of my other guns so it didn't take too much restraint.
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Old August 4, 2019, 03:23 PM   #38
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You can find it however you want.

Learn things? Sure. But it's not a requirement for posting here, as if it were this forum likely wouldn't have many of its threads, again including some of yours and some of mine. Doesn't mean I tell the OP I think it's worthless, because I think that sort of contribution is itself worthless (what a paradox ). But to each his own.
Worthless post followed be worthless commentary followed by worthless retort followed by worthless response.

So much lack of worth here.

Except that Nighthawk. It's worth a lot to the OP.
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Old August 4, 2019, 05:56 PM   #39
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Certainly not worthless. But to the vast majority who don't have the money, or don't want to pay the exorbitant price for a status symbol, is it worth it?
Not when there are plenty of pistols at a fraction of the price of the same design that are as reliable, if not more, and as accurate, if not more. They just don't have the "look at me" value.
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Old August 5, 2019, 11:22 AM   #40
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A Nighthawk is on my bucket list.

Gonna be a while though before I get to that. Until then I gotta live vicariously thru posters like Photonguy.
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Old August 5, 2019, 04:24 PM   #41
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A Nighthawk is on my bucket list.

Gonna be a while though before I get to that. Until then I gotta live vicariously thru posters like Photonguy.
Just start saving up.

In the meantime, got any other really cool guns?
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Old August 5, 2019, 07:06 PM   #42
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Colt Combat elite and a Sig 228 are my carry pieces. Those are my only two handguns currently.
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Old August 5, 2019, 07:41 PM   #43
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I can even get a head shot from 15 yards away with a 10mm.
Glad you like the gun. I'm sure they are good and I have no problem with someone owning a high end gun and enjoying it. But you've not set the bar very high with the accuracy claims. The gun is probably capable of head shots at 50 yards+. Just like many others.
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Worthless post followed be worthless commentary followed by worthless retort followed by worthless response.

So much lack of worth here.

Except that Nighthawk. It's worth a lot to the OP.
And yet, you find it worthwhile to keep posting about it.
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Old August 6, 2019, 10:08 AM   #45
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Colt Combat elite and a Sig 228 are my carry pieces. Those are my only two handguns currently.
So are you mostly a long gun person?
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Old August 6, 2019, 10:10 AM   #46
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Glad you like the gun. I'm sure they are good and I have no problem with someone owning a high end gun and enjoying it. But you've not set the bar very high with the accuracy claims. The gun is probably capable of head shots at 50 yards+. Just like many others.
I see. Well Front Sight doesn't give you the opportunity to try for head shots at 50 yards with handguns, at least not in their basic classes.
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Old August 8, 2019, 11:51 AM   #47
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Photon, not necessarily. I used to have more handguns, but have reduced my gun collection over the last 10 years to what I need.

If I have to be really honest, the gun that goes to the range the most is a CZ rifle in 22lr, I can spend all day shooting that gun.
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Old August 11, 2019, 05:24 PM   #48
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For those who've suggested I could've gotten some other 10mm gun such as a Glock 20 for a fraction of the price of a Nighthawk, the Nighthawk performs much better. With both the Glock and the Nighthawk you get what you pay for. I know, I've got a Glock, although not a Glock 20. The Glock will go bang but the Nighthawk shoots so much nicer and is so much more accurate. At my current skill level I can land a shot in the ocular cavity at 15 yards, that's the space that starts at the eyes and goes down to just above the mouth. I can shoot the paper target that's the shape and size of the average human and land my shot there at 15 yards. Could I do that with a Glock? Probably not. Maybe if I was more skilled I could. Could somebody much more skilled than me hit that same target at 50 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards with a Glock? Even the most skilled shooter would probably find it easier to do with the Nighthawk.
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I have no problem with enthusiasm, as seen in my other posts. The reality is the benchmark you presented here is capable with any service weapon. Frankly the same is possible at 25 yds with the right shooter. I've made repeated hits at 100 yds with a Glock on an IPSC plate without much difficulty, and I'm not the best shooter I know. If the Nighthawk enables that for you awesome, that's great. Just understand that some of the feedback here is based on the fact that what you're saying here is, to me, the equivalent of a guy who buys a Ferrari 458 Italia bragging about doing 0-60 MPH in 8 sec.

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For those who've suggested I could've gotten some other 10mm gun such as a Glock 20 for a fraction of the price of a Nighthawk, the Nighthawk performs much better. With both the Glock and the Nighthawk you get what you pay for. I know, I've got a Glock, although not a Glock 20. The Glock will go bang but the Nighthawk shoots so much nicer and is so much more accurate. At my current skill level I can land a shot in the ocular cavity at 15 yards, that's the space that starts at the eyes and goes down to just above the mouth. I can shoot the paper target that's the shape and size of the average human and land my shot there at 15 yards. Could I do that with a Glock? Probably not. Maybe if I was more skilled I could. Could somebody much more skilled than me hit that same target at 50 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards with a Glock? Even the most skilled shooter would probably find it easier to do with the Nighthawk.
Yes you get what you pay for... up to a certain point.

I have owned a Glock 20. I am not a particularly accomplished shooter, but with care and discipline, I was able to shoot stationary clay pigeons at 25 yards. (This was the test I did before I carried it as a sidearm hunting.) Could I have done that with the nighthawk? Certainly. But I couldn't have hit them at 150 yards with either pistol. I use that number because it is 6x the benchmark I used for the Glock. If I am to pay for something that costs, using round numbers, 6x as much, it needs to be 6x better.

The nighthawk is certainly a nicer pistol, but, in the local vernacular, it ain't no 6x nicer.

In truth, I'm reluctant to say it is at all better... just nicer.
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