Remington 870

magnum777 · December 10, 2017, 05:24 PM

I have heard recently that the quality of the Remington 870 express and wingmaster shotguns have gone down in the last decade or so, that they tend d to rust and have other problems, cam anybody tell if this is true?

MC 1911 · December 10, 2017, 05:28 PM

Rusting on the 870's is true not sure about the Wingmasters.

stuckinthe60s · December 10, 2017, 05:40 PM

all 870's went down in the last 30 years.

jmr40 · December 10, 2017, 06:14 PM

It is pretty humid here in GA. I've had several 870 Express and Wingmaster shotguns dating from the 1970's through the present. Never had any rusting issues with any of them. I gave one to my son, one to my daughter a few years back when they got married and moved out. These were 1990's era Express guns. I bought a 20ga youth model Express that I use to turkey hunt with 2 years ago. None have ever given me any issues.

Virginian · December 10, 2017, 07:58 PM

The decline of Remington shotguns has been greatly exaggerated on the internet. The Express is a good deal, but it is not a Wingmaster. The surface finish on all the non-polished guns has improved greatly in the last few years, and all now come with a lifetime warranty.

Fishbed77 · December 13, 2017, 02:31 PM

Can't comment on the Wingmaster, but 2 out of the last 2 Express shotguns I've encountered had improperly-sized chambers that led to problems with extraction.

TrueBlue711 · December 13, 2017, 04:08 PM

They do seem to go down in quality over time. I have an 870 from the early 80s that is the smoothest action I got for pumps. My other 870 was made in the mid 90s and is a little stiff. Probably just needs more working in.
I have a friend who I shoot skeet/trap with who bought a brand new 3 /12" 870 express and it was just bad. It wouldn't extract out the shells and had to use push rod to punch the shell out after each shot. He sent it back in and it STILL had the same issue when he got it back. Different common ammo brands too. Just like Fishbed mentioned, it was improperly sized chamber. They got it right on the 3rd time and works ok now. But just bad quality control on that gun...

Virginian · December 13, 2017, 10:43 PM

I have seen Mossbergs, Novas, 870s, Winchesters, and even a BPS being beat on the ground to extract the new steel base hulls. 5 to 10 minutes with a drum brake wheel cylinder hone will solve the problem in all of them.

Slopemeno · December 13, 2017, 11:43 PM

Alot of it has to do with some of the low quality, iron (as opposed to brass) base shotgun ammo.

mehavey · December 14, 2017, 05:34 AM

Read
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...53&postcount=1
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=11
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=13

... and finally...

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=16

stuckinthe60s · December 14, 2017, 10:05 AM

don't blame the hull for a company that imports Russian guns and calls them Remingtons. lol.

mehavey · December 14, 2017, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuck...

don't blame the hull for a company that imports Russian guns and calls them Remingtons

You might want to expand on that a bit...

Virginian · December 14, 2017, 04:22 PM

Almost ancient history now, the Spartan line. So, some Benelli and Beretta barrels are made in Turkey, and Mossbergs in Mexico. The Russians may not value appearance the way we do but they do build some tough guns.

December 10, 2017, 05:24 PM	#1
magnum777 Member Join Date: May 2, 2012 Location: upstate New York Posts: 90	Remington 870 I have heard recently that the quality of the Remington 870 express and wingmaster shotguns have gone down in the last decade or so, that they tend d to rust and have other problems, cam anybody tell if this is true?

December 10, 2017, 05:40 PM	#3
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	all 870's went down in the last 30 years. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

December 10, 2017, 06:14 PM	#4
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,809	It is pretty humid here in GA. I've had several 870 Express and Wingmaster shotguns dating from the 1970's through the present. Never had any rusting issues with any of them. I gave one to my son, one to my daughter a few years back when they got married and moved out. These were 1990's era Express guns. I bought a 20ga youth model Express that I use to turkey hunt with 2 years ago. None have ever given me any issues. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

December 10, 2017, 07:58 PM	#5
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	The decline of Remington shotguns has been greatly exaggerated on the internet. The Express is a good deal, but it is not a Wingmaster. The surface finish on all the non-polished guns has improved greatly in the last few years, and all now come with a lifetime warranty. __________________ What could have happened... did.

December 13, 2017, 10:43 PM	#8
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	I have seen Mossbergs, Novas, 870s, Winchesters, and even a BPS being beat on the ground to extract the new steel base hulls. 5 to 10 minutes with a drum brake wheel cylinder hone will solve the problem in all of them. __________________ What could have happened... did.

December 10, 2017, 05:28 PM	#2
MC 1911 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 373	Rusting on the 870's is true not sure about the Wingmasters.

December 13, 2017, 02:31 PM	#6
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	Can't comment on the Wingmaster, but 2 out of the last 2 Express shotguns I've encountered had improperly-sized chambers that led to problems with extraction.

December 13, 2017, 04:08 PM	#7
TrueBlue711 Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2011 Posts: 489	They do seem to go down in quality over time. I have an 870 from the early 80s that is the smoothest action I got for pumps. My other 870 was made in the mid 90s and is a little stiff. Probably just needs more working in. I have a friend who I shoot skeet/trap with who bought a brand new 3 /12" 870 express and it was just bad. It wouldn't extract out the shells and had to use push rod to punch the shell out after each shot. He sent it back in and it STILL had the same issue when he got it back. Different common ammo brands too. Just like Fishbed mentioned, it was improperly sized chamber. They got it right on the 3rd time and works ok now. But just bad quality control on that gun...

December 13, 2017, 11:43 PM	#9
Slopemeno Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,663	Alot of it has to do with some of the low quality, iron (as opposed to brass) base shotgun ammo.

December 14, 2017, 05:34 AM	#10
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	Read https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...53&postcount=1 https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=11 https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=13 ... and finally... https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=16

December 14, 2017, 10:05 AM	#11
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	don't blame the hull for a company that imports Russian guns and calls them Remingtons. lol. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

December 14, 2017, 04:22 PM	#13
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	Almost ancient history now, the Spartan line. So, some Benelli and Beretta barrels are made in Turkey, and Mossbergs in Mexico. The Russians may not value appearance the way we do but they do build some tough guns. __________________ What could have happened... did.