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December 18, 2009, 08:15 PM | #26 | |
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December 18, 2009, 08:38 PM | #27 | |
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That's why shoulder holsters or X- draws go to the end of the firing line--- if they're allowed in the course in the first place. Yes, I know, with the X-draw, it's possible to turn one's body to the side so the muzzle doesn't point at another shooter during the draw, but the shoulder holster could be rather problematic. Also, Farnum banned the Serpa from his courses when it was learned that a small twig, or sand, could (actually did) jam the release and make drawing the weapon nearly impossible. Last edited by Nnobby45; December 18, 2009 at 08:49 PM. |
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I've seen our local Game Wardens/Forest Service carrying Serpa's. I tried to explain to them about the problems with the holsters, but was only met with blank, deer-in-the-headlights stares.
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December 19, 2009, 08:28 AM | #30 |
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Heres one for the kydex paddle holster lovers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKt...B192A&index=24 |
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I do not like SERPA holsters. I would not carry a SERPA holster. I do not recommend carrying a SERPA holster.
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You'd have been perfectly fine saying "Hey, I don't dig them because Suarez and Gomez and Yeager say they are teh suXX0rz," without further elaboration. Quote:
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This came from a posting by Paul Gomez on Gabe Suarez' site:
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While the trigger finger being in exactly the wrong place on the draw is its biggest shortcoming, I don't like the fact that the area behind the release lever is open and can allow debris in there to obstruct easy movement of the lever.
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A good holster is whatever gets the job done. A bad holster slows presentation, since the object of the entire excercise is survival.
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Pax, you kicked this off; going to weigh in?
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I'm shamelessly using everyone else's brains to check my own thinking on this one. If I weighed in, I'd contaminate the comparison sample... pax |
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Understood, but I hope when the signal-to-noise ratio drops sufficiently, you'll provide your own opinion and/or summary comments.
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When I was a kid we worked for a guy that did trail rides for city folks. Sometimes he would even let them bring their firearms along for the rides. One guy was riding and somehow his gun went off (Hit the horse and threw the rider.) accidentally while it was still in the holster. I do not remember the rig he was wearing or the gun he was carrying other than it was an old revolver. Apparently, when he went through the brush, he caught the hammer on some brush and cocked it, then while going through another bunch of saplings and brush, some how managed to have the trigger pulled. (He swore up and down that he neither carried the weapon cocked, nor did he touch the trigger.) If what he said was true, then he had a very unsafe holster.
1. A holster should be fitted to the gun it carries. 2. It should be fitted to the person carrying it. 3. It should be fit for the job you are doing. (When I am tossing hay bales, I want a holster with a flap, that will keep debris out of the holster and gun.) 4. It should fit the clothes you are wearing. Do not try to modify the holster you use for your belt when you are wearing sweat pants. Just use the dang belt or get another holster. My .45 LC revolver holsters (Cowboy type) all have a hammer string on them to keep the gun in place. Can I quick draw with the string in place? No, but by golly when I am crawling through fences and brush looking for escaped goats and cows, I do not have to worry about it falling out. When I am at the range, I use a simple slide in holster. It will be used only for storing and carrying the gun between shoots. I do not CCW, so I am unqualified to respond on that aspect of it.
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+1 on Uncle Buck.
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I used to buy the hype, but not so much anymore... but I used to hear that a small-of-the-back holster could paralyze you if you landed on it. If that were true, I'd consider that dangerous.
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Since I carry an SA myself I've considered the whole "hammer hang-up" issue. I've been carrying high-ride crossdraw in part for that reason.
I also find that crossdraw points the gun at less of my body. If it does go off in the holster or during a re-holstering accident, it's not going to take out my kneecap or foot. It might give me a glancing hit across some hip skin at worst. Best of all, that same "rest my forearm on the gun" trick used to block grabs can also be used in heavy brush to protect the hammer and trigger.
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I carried concealed with a Thunderwear/Smartcarry holster quite a bit with a Walther PPK, butt end of handle printed even with that little gun, wore elastic waistband pants with no belt for a faster draw, had to tuck in my shirttail over the back of the elastic strap going behind my back otherwise it would ride up and show, did not like where the gun was pointing while being carried and was very careful about reholstering, one reason for the PPK with its 10-12 pound double action first pull of the trigger.
I have front pocket carried concealed with or without a holster with a Kahr PM40 or a Smith 638 bodyguard, I recommend a pocket holster but either way make sure absolutely nothing is in the pocket with the gun that could engage the trigger, like car keys, knives etc. I have carried concealed in a fanny pack, and seen women carrying in purses, you should buy a special fanny pack or purse for this but whether you do or not, as in front pocket carry, absolutely nothing in the compartment that carries the gun, as it could engage the trigger and fire the gun. Have carried with shoulder holsters, vertical and horizontal, I don't like it as the pistol almost always sweeps part of your arm on the draw. I would recommend OWB, outside the waistband or IWB inside the waistband on the belt strongside with the pistol pointing down at the ground. However this is probably where most people carry and if I was going to try to take a gun from someone that is the first place I would look for a concealed handgun. I have never tried the shirt tucker holsters, but I have heard of guys pulling out the shirt and fumbling or dropping their handgun. For open carry I definitely prefer a retention system, for concealed carry I absolutely hate a retention system. One rule I always break is on reholstering, I am never going to reholster until I know for sure the threat is over and then I am going to look while reholstering to make sure no clothing or retention thumb strap or anything is going to engage the trigger while reholstering. I have seen very few dangerous holsters, wish I could say the same for people!
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Further, I just don't dig any kind of holster that makes me violate Rule Two to get the gun back into the holster. If I can't re-holster one-handed without pointing the gun at my weak hand, I don't want to use that carry system. |
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Plenty of holsters capable of retention involve no action on the part of the support hand to accomplish reholstering. Come to think of it, I can't think of one that does require it. Granted, I've see people do it, which I've always took as an indicator of either unfamiliarity or as sign that their holster is in dire need of replacement. The other indicator being fishing around to clear retention straps; I've seen instances were an unintentional discharge at that point would have had disastrous consequences.
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a dangerous holster is any you cannot operate quickly ans smoothly,such as those with mutiple retention devices. practice with a new holster until fully familarand you'll be better off for it!
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