Like getting 2 new shotguns for $100!!!

PoorRichRichard · June 6, 2012, 01:36 AM

So last Christmas I made a bit of a mistake buying my 7-year-old a little .410 Rossi Tuffy shotgun- little too much recoil for him. After doing a bit of research, I came upon the ATI AR type stocks with the retractable buttstock ($50 delivered- extra $20 for thick recoil pad, and $30 for the heat shield). Thought it might be cool to have a chance for him to enjoy the gun with less recoil, and also now with the retractable stock it will be fun for adults to shoot it with a normal 14.5 inch length of pull (ie. me

). The ATI stock also came with a tactical type forestock that does not fit my son's gun. BUT, I have one of the little cheap no-frills Rossi single shot 20 gauge shotguns on which the forestock will fit.

So I went from these:

..to these!!!

I think they both look pretty frikin cool! Bubba on the 20 gauge? Maybe a little, but I'm no stranger to bubbafication

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=578607
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=578721

Gonna give the newly upgraded 20 gauge a chance at being my new cottontail gun. Can't wait to show them to the boy and have him try out the new .410 setup!

Here's another picture with the stock on the .410 fully retracted.

And yes, I know I should have bought him a .22 single shot first, like a Cricket. I'm in the process of doing so now.

Gunn Smithy · February 24, 2014, 04:32 AM

Say, looking for a similar set up for my grandson's first of a few (yes cricket included) guns. I've been to the ATI (I think?) web site and didn't see one calling out to me as in being able to fit. Could you please post the link or product number of the stock that fit your 410 Tuffy shotgun so I'll not have to buy four stocks before I land upon the one I should have bought in the first place? Also I thought that this Tuffy was a close copy of the older Snake Charmer and that receiver was much smaller than any of the "switch" barreled Rossi single shot rifle/shotguns made today. So is this a special size that just fits the tuffy? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Smithy.

WardenWolf · February 24, 2014, 06:29 AM

Reminds me of when my father introduced me to shotguns when I was around 13. We got a junk single-shot .410 shotgun from my uncle. Now, when I was 13, I was a rail. I was doing year-round swim team so had NO fat on my body. That thing just beat the hell out of me and I never hit a single clay with it. My father barely managed to wing one with it himself. We sold it at a gun show about a year later.

My honest opinion is that young shooters should probably be introduced on a semi-auto shotgun, simply because their reduced recoil makes them much easier to manage. It also lets you get a higher-quality gun that they can grow with more. Single-shot .410s are typically too light and too poor quality, and will turn a new shooter off with their high recoil and poor performance.

Gunn Smithy · February 24, 2014, 07:10 AM

Yes Warden Wolfe you are definitely right on this one. Trouble is that I'm all set up for 410 and Mama doesn't like caliber changes too much because she just knows what that means for me and my Midway bills. I'd love to once again be able to shoot registered skeet in the NSSA (life member of that organization), but I'm rather weak anymore in my upper extremities and have only been able to just squeak by with the 410 mainly due to its light weight. Maybe it needs a second thought. I remember setting my son up to shoot a snow hare in Wyoming during my antelope hunt. He had a cricket 22LR single shot that fit him to a tee. Perfect size and weight for him to wield around. He couldn't hit the ground if the muzzle was put into a post hole. I'm sure though at that very same range he was at, if he had a youth sized 410 with #6 shot, we'd have eaten fresh rabbit for dinner that night. Smithy.

WardenWolf · February 24, 2014, 05:40 PM

Well, there is a .410 version of the Remington 1100. Not very common, but it's out there. There's also the Saiga .410, which isn't a bad choice either. Saiga shotguns have extremely low recoil, so that might be a good choice for a new shooter.

June 6, 2012, 01:36 AM	#1
PoorRichRichard Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2011 Location: San Berdoo Posts: 269	Like getting 2 new shotguns for $100!!! So last Christmas I made a bit of a mistake buying my 7-year-old a little .410 Rossi Tuffy shotgun- little too much recoil for him. After doing a bit of research, I came upon the ATI AR type stocks with the retractable buttstock ($50 delivered- extra $20 for thick recoil pad, and $30 for the heat shield). Thought it might be cool to have a chance for him to enjoy the gun with less recoil, and also now with the retractable stock it will be fun for adults to shoot it with a normal 14.5 inch length of pull (ie. me). The ATI stock also came with a tactical type forestock that does not fit my son's gun. BUT, I have one of the little cheap no-frills Rossi single shot 20 gauge shotguns on which the forestock will fit. So I went from these: ..to these!!! I think they both look pretty frikin cool! Bubba on the 20 gauge? Maybe a little, but I'm no stranger to bubbafication http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=578607 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=578721 Gonna give the newly upgraded 20 gauge a chance at being my new cottontail gun. Can't wait to show them to the boy and have him try out the new .410 setup! Here's another picture with the stock on the .410 fully retracted. And yes, I know I should have bought him a .22 single shot first, like a Cricket. I'm in the process of doing so now. __________________ You are the weapon, your firearm is just a tool. It's a shame so many get the two mixed up. Last edited by PoorRichRichard; June 6, 2012 at 02:17 AM.

February 24, 2014, 04:32 AM	#2
Gunn Smithy Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2011 Location: CA's central valley Posts: 101	Say, looking for a similar set up for my grandson's first of a few (yes cricket included) guns. I've been to the ATI (I think?) web site and didn't see one calling out to me as in being able to fit. Could you please post the link or product number of the stock that fit your 410 Tuffy shotgun so I'll not have to buy four stocks before I land upon the one I should have bought in the first place? Also I thought that this Tuffy was a close copy of the older Snake Charmer and that receiver was much smaller than any of the "switch" barreled Rossi single shot rifle/shotguns made today. So is this a special size that just fits the tuffy? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Smithy. __________________ Salvation is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in Him alone.

February 24, 2014, 07:10 AM	#4
Gunn Smithy Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2011 Location: CA's central valley Posts: 101	Yes Warden Wolfe you are definitely right on this one. Trouble is that I'm all set up for 410 and Mama doesn't like caliber changes too much because she just knows what that means for me and my Midway bills. I'd love to once again be able to shoot registered skeet in the NSSA (life member of that organization), but I'm rather weak anymore in my upper extremities and have only been able to just squeak by with the 410 mainly due to its light weight. Maybe it needs a second thought. I remember setting my son up to shoot a snow hare in Wyoming during my antelope hunt. He had a cricket 22LR single shot that fit him to a tee. Perfect size and weight for him to wield around. He couldn't hit the ground if the muzzle was put into a post hole. I'm sure though at that very same range he was at, if he had a youth sized 410 with #6 shot, we'd have eaten fresh rabbit for dinner that night. Smithy. __________________ Salvation is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in Him alone.

February 24, 2014, 06:29 AM	#3
WardenWolf Junior member Join Date: December 12, 2013 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 135	Reminds me of when my father introduced me to shotguns when I was around 13. We got a junk single-shot .410 shotgun from my uncle. Now, when I was 13, I was a rail. I was doing year-round swim team so had NO fat on my body. That thing just beat the hell out of me and I never hit a single clay with it. My father barely managed to wing one with it himself. We sold it at a gun show about a year later. My honest opinion is that young shooters should probably be introduced on a semi-auto shotgun, simply because their reduced recoil makes them much easier to manage. It also lets you get a higher-quality gun that they can grow with more. Single-shot .410s are typically too light and too poor quality, and will turn a new shooter off with their high recoil and poor performance.

February 24, 2014, 05:40 PM	#5
WardenWolf Junior member Join Date: December 12, 2013 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 135	Well, there is a .410 version of the Remington 1100. Not very common, but it's out there. There's also the Saiga .410, which isn't a bad choice either. Saiga shotguns have extremely low recoil, so that might be a good choice for a new shooter.