Any H&K fans here? - Page 2

Badgerstate · June 11, 2017, 09:24 PM

I'll be honest, Id consider an HK rifle if they werent so darned expensive. I just cant see dropping $2500 on one when an HK assault is about 10x more assault rifle than Im ever going to need. For me uses, my Sauer 100 does just fine, is just as German as an HK and costs an 1/8th that an HK does.

ozarkhillbilly · June 11, 2017, 11:10 PM

Big fan of the P7's

JDBerg · June 12, 2017, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rt11002003:

...a p30s and a p30sk...All were great guns, except maybe the p30's their triggers were lousy

I hear this lousy HK trigger buisiness all the time and I started to believe it until I really started dry & live fire practicing with my HK P30 v3, and after 2-1/2 years and at least 5K rounds through it, I can't say that it is the best shooting gun I have but there really aren't many guns I have that shoot better for me and the way I like to range practice with my guns. For a gun that often rides on my hip, that long DA trigger takeup and "relatively" heavy DA trigger pull beats a much lighter trigger that (IMHO) would warrant an external safety to want to carry it. Like most people I shoot it SA most of the time anyway, and since staging the trigger is a part of good trigger control anyway, my DA targets aren't really too bad! These guns really do teach you how to shoot them properly!

Tactical Jackalope · June 12, 2017, 02:55 PM

They are one of my favorite defensive pistols of all time.

I don't think they know how to make a bad gun.

I love the USP line and the new handguns are also amazing. Let's not even get started with their rifles.

Absolutely amazing! Great choice!

The_Jerkman · June 12, 2017, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Constantine

They are one of my favorite defensive pistols of all time.

I don't think they know how to make a bad gun.

I love the USP line and the new handguns are also amazing. Let's not even get started with their rifles.

Absolutely amazing! Great choice!

Now if only they would make a more compact gun. I love my FS HK45, currently waiting on the 45c to come out of ffl jail. Saw it for 705 BNIB shipped to my ffl and couldn't pass up the deal vs 1200 or so from my LGS

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agtman · June 12, 2017, 08:03 PM

Reputedly, HK P7s were said to be the popular sidearm of choice for Hollywood's Action-Movie terrorists back in the '80s.

Myself, personally, I don't see the allure.

Yeah, it's got an interesting look, ... but beyond that, the gun is needless weighty relative to caliber, sports low magazine capacity (8+1), and is blessed with a not-so-intuitive manual-of-arms based on an awkward decocking mechanism.

Worse, it's chambered for the mostly anemic 9mm.

Sure, for executing dissidents and hostages with point-blank head shots, a P7 will work well enough, but in a stand-up fight against a determined adversary armed with something modern like, say, a .45acp Glock 21, ... forgettaboutit.

The_Jerkman · June 12, 2017, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by agtman

Reputedly, HK P7s were said to be the popular sidearm of choice for Hollywood's Action-Movie terrorists back in the '80s.

Myself, personally, I don't see the allure.

Yeah, it's got an interesting look, ... but beyond that, the gun is needless weighty relative to caliber, sports low magazine capacity (8+1), and is blessed with a not-so-intuitive manual-of-arms based on an awkward decocking mechanism.

Worse, it's chambered for the mostly anemic 9mm.

Sure, for executing dissidents and hostages with point-blank head shots, a P7 will work well enough, but in a stand-up fight against a determined adversary armed with something modern like, say, a .45acp Glock 21, ... forgettaboutit.

Until the Glock jams or otherwise can't hit the broadside of a barn whereas the HK would outshoot said Glock any day of the week. Not to mention HKs are one of the most reliable if not the nost reliable firearm available. I wouldn't trust my life to many other pistols.

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agtman · June 12, 2017, 08:23 PM

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Until the Glock jams or otherwise can't hit the broadside of a barn whereas the HK would outshoot said Glock any day of the week. Not to mention HKs are one of the most reliable if not the nost reliable firearm available. I wouldn't trust my life to many other pistols.

Jerky, just so we're clear, ... someone previously mentioned the HK P7, and I was referring specifically to that model, not to modern HKs or even HKs generally.

The_Jerkman · June 12, 2017, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by agtman

Jerky, just so we're clear, ... someone previously mentioned the HK P7, and I was referring specifically to that model, not to modern HKs or even HKs generally.

I have yet to handle a P7 personally but I for one find them incredibly ugly. That and the current prices they are going for I would much rather have a Mark 23

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agtman · June 12, 2017, 09:04 PM

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I have yet to handle a P7 personally but I for one find them incredibly ugly. That and the current prices they are going for I would much rather have a Mark 23.

Yeah, I hear you. Mine is just an odd-ball specimen for my meager collection.

Last year a local HK collector offered me $2K for it, which I declined.

rock185 · June 12, 2017, 09:54 PM

I admire HK firearms, but wouldn't consider myself an official HK FanBoy. Over a good many years, I've owned a succession of HKs,i.e., P9S, standard and Target models in 9MM and .45, a P9, P7, P7M8 and a USP Expert. All quality pistols, but I'm currently down to only two HK pistols, a P7M8 purchased new back in the '80s, and a SAO HK P9, that I've also owned for quite a few years.

Seems many who don't own P7s enjoy continually pointing out perceived flaws, and elaborating on the many ways their favorite plastic pistol is better. Ok, I understand, we all have our favorites, and plastic pistols are certainly a lot less expensive and hold a lot more ammunition than the P7. Have to say though, that while the P7s are not my favorite pistol, if necessary I would be perfectly content to carry a P7 in the anemic 9MM caliber

hank327 · June 12, 2017, 10:24 PM

Love my P7M8 that I got back in the 80's. One of, if not the most accurate handgun I own. Had a HK 91 that I sold and have always regretted doing so. Wish I had gotten an MP-5 back then. Their other handguns don't do anything for me though.

Cosmodragoon · June 13, 2017, 02:15 AM

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I'd like them more if I could afford one.

I flirted with the P30 for a long time. Of the Polymer DA/SA guns I've checked out, it feels the best in my hand and is at least a competitor for best looking. The problem is price. There are some other quality guns in the same category that do as much or more for so much less.

I might have been able to overlook the extra hundreds (plural) but the lousy trigger kills it. Sure, it isn't the worst trigger I've experienced. I just think it's worse than a lot of other guns, including some of those lower-cost competitors in the same category.

Between a $400-something Px4 and an $800-something P30, which would go home with you?

Chris_B · June 13, 2017, 06:45 AM

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Now if only they would make a more compact gun. I love my FS HK45, currently waiting on the 45c to come out of ffl jail. Saw it for 705 BNIB shipped to my ffl and couldn't pass up the deal vs 1200 or so from my LGS

More compact than the HK 45? Or a more compact pistol in .45?

I don't have any other Hks, but here's a quick and dirty comparison with a Walther and a SIG

The_Jerkman · June 13, 2017, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris_B

More compact than the HK 45? Or a more compact pistol in .45?

I don't have any other Hks, but here's a quick and dirty comparison with a Walther and a SIG

I bought my original fs HK45 as more of a winter/home defense/range pistol. The 45c will be my CCW gun when I do my outdoor activities ie hiking, fishing, hunting, etc. While the 45c is a little bit more compact than the full size, I just wish they made a true subcompact pistol. Maybe one day HK will decide to make a peanut gun, but seems we will be waiting a while.

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DFM914 · June 13, 2017, 11:48 AM

H&K makes a quality handgun.I have a P2000 v3 and a HK45c, both outstanding guns and I am a Sig guy at heart.

Arizona Fusilier · June 13, 2017, 07:09 PM

Yeah, those P7s were not well-received "back in the day". That was a case of Teutonic ingenuity colliding with American traditionalism.

If they're working out for people now, power to you.

clintpup · June 13, 2017, 08:03 PM

I recently shot a USP in 9 (Version 1) and liked how soft it shot (probably because the gun is built like a tank) but I had problems with accuracy that I am going to attribute to the trigger pull. Who knows, maybe it just is different than what I am used to (a Beretta 92). I have heard others complain about the triggers, though, so maybe I am not totally crazy. :-) Anybody else have similar issues?

The_Jerkman · June 13, 2017, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by clintpup

I recently shot a USP in 9 (Version 1) and liked how soft it shot (probably because the gun is built like a tank) but I had problems with accuracy that I am going to attribute to the trigger pull. Who knows, maybe it just is different than what I am used to (a Beretta 92). I have heard others complain about the triggers, though, so maybe I am not totally crazy. :-) Anybody else have similar issues?

Let me guess shooting low?

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clintpup · June 14, 2017, 08:02 PM

I remember it shooting to the left...

The_Jerkman · June 14, 2017, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by clintpup

I remember it shooting to the left...

Interesting. I know my HK45 full size is laser beam accurate. Unfortunately myself am not. At least not with a pistol just yet. The USP has ergos of a brick. Much prefer the HK45 as it fits in the hand like it was made for it. May just be the grip on the USP didn't work for you

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Ocraknife · June 17, 2017, 05:39 PM

I love them and owned 3. For whatever reason, I shoot the HK VP9 more accurately than any pistol I've ever shot.

CalmerThanYou · June 17, 2017, 05:46 PM

^^Me too Really happy with mine.

Rob228 · June 17, 2017, 06:12 PM

Had a USP 45 for a while, but it was just too big for my hands. Always wanted a P7 but other guns just took priority.

brian33x51 · June 17, 2017, 11:28 PM

Back in the 1994 I shot I think a g41. All I remember about that rifle was that it left distinct thin powder marks along the length of the cases and dented them. A couple of years later I shot a g3 that had reportedly been a police duty rifle. Sweet and smooth. I bought a cetme and later an early production ptr91.

Long story short, I'm getting my ccw renewed after letting it lapse some years ago and both my carry pistols aren't what I consider to be reliable so I grabbed a used HK USP 40c (v1 bobbed hammer?) last month at gander mountain (with their sale). Several hundred rounds, no failures for me, but my 14 yr old daughter had a feed problem (her first day shooting, another long story).

I find I shoot the gun low and there's a LOT of travel on that trigger.

June 11, 2017, 09:24 PM	#26
Badgerstate Member Join Date: March 17, 2017 Posts: 71	I'll be honest, Id consider an HK rifle if they werent so darned expensive. I just cant see dropping $2500 on one when an HK assault is about 10x more assault rifle than Im ever going to need. For me uses, my Sauer 100 does just fine, is just as German as an HK and costs an 1/8th that an HK does. __________________ Its better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war.

June 17, 2017, 05:39 PM	#47
Ocraknife Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,117	I love them and owned 3. For whatever reason, I shoot the HK VP9 more accurately than any pistol I've ever shot. __________________ "The loudest sound you'll ever hear is a "bang" when you weren't expecting one." -Jimro

June 11, 2017, 11:10 PM	#27
ozarkhillbilly Member Join Date: July 17, 2005 Location: MO Posts: 85	Big fan of the P7's

June 12, 2017, 02:55 PM	#29
Tactical Jackalope Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 6,429	They are one of my favorite defensive pistols of all time. I don't think they know how to make a bad gun. I love the USP line and the new handguns are also amazing. Let's not even get started with their rifles. Absolutely amazing! Great choice!

June 12, 2017, 08:03 PM	#31
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	Reputedly, HK P7s were said to be the popular sidearm of choice for Hollywood's Action-Movie terrorists back in the '80s. Myself, personally, I don't see the allure. Yeah, it's got an interesting look, ... but beyond that, the gun is needless weighty relative to caliber, sports low magazine capacity (8+1), and is blessed with a not-so-intuitive manual-of-arms based on an awkward decocking mechanism. Worse, it's chambered for the mostly anemic 9mm. Sure, for executing dissidents and hostages with point-blank head shots, a P7 will work well enough, but in a stand-up fight against a determined adversary armed with something modern like, say, a .45acp Glock 21, ... forgettaboutit.

June 12, 2017, 10:24 PM	#37
hank327 Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 106	Love my P7M8 that I got back in the 80's. One of, if not the most accurate handgun I own. Had a HK 91 that I sold and have always regretted doing so. Wish I had gotten an MP-5 back then. Their other handguns don't do anything for me though.

June 13, 2017, 11:48 AM	#41
DFM914 Member Join Date: March 2, 2011 Posts: 63	H&K makes a quality handgun.I have a P2000 v3 and a HK45c, both outstanding guns and I am a Sig guy at heart.

June 13, 2017, 07:09 PM	#42
Arizona Fusilier Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2000 Posts: 1,082	Yeah, those P7s were not well-received "back in the day". That was a case of Teutonic ingenuity colliding with American traditionalism. If they're working out for people now, power to you.

June 13, 2017, 08:03 PM	#43
clintpup Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2005 Posts: 109	I recently shot a USP in 9 (Version 1) and liked how soft it shot (probably because the gun is built like a tank) but I had problems with accuracy that I am going to attribute to the trigger pull. Who knows, maybe it just is different than what I am used to (a Beretta 92). I have heard others complain about the triggers, though, so maybe I am not totally crazy. :-) Anybody else have similar issues?

June 14, 2017, 08:02 PM	#45
clintpup Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 2005 Posts: 109	I remember it shooting to the left...

June 17, 2017, 05:46 PM	#48
CalmerThanYou Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2017 Posts: 323	^^Me too Really happy with mine.

June 17, 2017, 06:12 PM	#49
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	Had a USP 45 for a while, but it was just too big for my hands. Always wanted a P7 but other guns just took priority.

June 17, 2017, 11:28 PM	#50
brian33x51 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2005 Location: Denver area Posts: 221	Back in the 1994 I shot I think a g41. All I remember about that rifle was that it left distinct thin powder marks along the length of the cases and dented them. A couple of years later I shot a g3 that had reportedly been a police duty rifle. Sweet and smooth. I bought a cetme and later an early production ptr91. Long story short, I'm getting my ccw renewed after letting it lapse some years ago and both my carry pistols aren't what I consider to be reliable so I grabbed a used HK USP 40c (v1 bobbed hammer?) last month at gander mountain (with their sale). Several hundred rounds, no failures for me, but my 14 yr old daughter had a feed problem (her first day shooting, another long story). I find I shoot the gun low and there's a LOT of travel on that trigger.