low buck semi auto.

ratrodney · January 14, 2015, 12:29 PM

Lookin for a low budget floor sweeper. Semi auto..12 gauge.
Want to get it with or customize it to a pistol grip"no buttstock" and mount a foreward grip on it. Short n tactical.
Lookin at Charles Daly....Linberta...Ect....
Any suggestions? Tnx, RR

T. O'Heir · January 14, 2015, 03:21 PM

A pistol grip "no buttstock" shotgun is a tv and movie prop that is the most useless thing on the Planet. You have zero control. Low end kit usually means no aftermarket stuff anyway.

the rifleer · January 14, 2015, 03:36 PM

Don't buy a cheap turkish gun. I know some people claim they are great, but i had one (cz 712) fire out of battery and destroy it.

save up and buy a quality gun. I knows thats hard to do, but its worth it. The cheapest semi auto gun I would buy is a fanchi or remington 11-87.

SARuger · January 14, 2015, 04:23 PM

Stoeger makes one in the $425 range but I would go the extra $150 and get the 11-87

Dreaming100Straight · January 14, 2015, 08:12 PM

I believe he meant that the Linberta and Charles Daly are Turkish made. Buying a low price semi is a dumb move if you expect it to be reliable. A lot of folk get the Mossberg semi, but a lot have problems. I prefer the 870, but their pump seems to be pretty good.

Get a good used gun before a new POS and go with a forget a pistol grip.

Virginian · January 14, 2015, 08:22 PM

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Get a good used gun before a new POS and go with a forget a pistol grip.

Best advice you can get.

baddarryl · January 14, 2015, 08:28 PM

I'd find an old Rem 1100 on the racks and do what I wanted to it. They can be had relatively cheap.

Dreaming100Straight · January 14, 2015, 10:35 PM

You might ask around local gun clubs and check for sale sections of shotgun forums such as TFL. In particular check trapshooters.com. for a Remington 1100 or 11-87.

publius · January 31, 2015, 12:51 AM

Cheap and semi-auto don't go together. Good semi's just aren't cheap.

Strafer Gott · January 31, 2015, 01:21 AM

Used 1100 vs new 1100 = one helluva deal. They will fail on occasion. You can even find them pre-cut. I wouldn't cut one myself. It's a shortcut to a new front tooth. That would make the 1100 experience a bit more costly.

Bake · January 31, 2015, 03:06 AM

If you want a expensive semi auto, just spend a couple hundred bucks on some POS, spend another couple hundred bucks on crap, to make it look, cool. You will save money on ammo, because it breaks or jams before you can shoot much.

Now on the other hand, if you want a inexpensive shotgun, try looking at the name brands like; Remington (at least 50,000 rds.), Benelli (my has around 65,000 rds.), Beretta (at least 65,000 rds.), Browning (a lot ), Winchesters (as many rds.), and even the Mossbergs (45,000 rds.). Of course you will burn a lot of ammo with these shotguns, but you won't be sending them back for warrant repair...

...Divide the cost of these guns by the number of shots, and suddenly they're cheaper than the marked down POS...

Thunderkiss · January 31, 2015, 08:27 AM

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Cheap and semi-auto don't go together. Good semi's just aren't cheap.

Excellent advice there. Until last year I had never owned a semi-auto shotgun because I didn't want to waste $500 on a new cheaper gun and run the risk of getting a lemon. I saved up and at 37 years old I bought my first semi-auto, a Browning Maxus. Less than 30 days later I scraped up the money for an A-5. Regret waiting all those years to buy one but it was a lot easier to part with the money after the first one.

As for the pistol grip with no butt stock, why?

FITASC · January 31, 2015, 10:05 AM

Personally I wouldn't get pistol grips BUT if you are dead set on that, at least get the bird's head style and not the straight-down AR style for the rear grip

Virginian · February 2, 2015, 02:18 PM

I think you're low on your round counts. Every one of those guns should go way over 100,000.

jimbob86 · February 2, 2015, 02:40 PM

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pistol grip "no buttstock" shotgun is a tv and movie prop that is the most useless thing on the Planet.

+1.

Taking the stock off a shotgun makes hitting anything with it outside of contact distance much more difficult. It's point shooting without the pointing part ...... which is just shooting.

Bake · February 2, 2015, 03:32 PM

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I think you're low on your round counts. Every one of those guns should go way over 100,000.

Well, you might be right, next time I'm back there, I'll bring; the gun, the birds, and the thrower, and you bring the shells, and we run a little experiment.

bamaranger · February 12, 2015, 03:45 AM

Seconds to all comments about pistol grips and hard to shoot and useless past near contact distance. And I put the funky vertical foregrips in that useless category as well. The "floor sweeping" shotgun is just another myth. All shotguns need to be aimed/pointed reasonably, , and those two accessories do not help with that at all.

Where space is at an absolute premium, the old Remington top folder stock seemed a good compromise. Folded, it stored well, unfolded, it shot OK. Still, Nearly useless when shot folded.

Virginian · February 12, 2015, 06:02 PM

I'm well into the experiment of the Remingtons; way past 100,000.

You pick one of the others and we'll recruit a third volunteer to do the other one.

Bake · February 12, 2015, 07:00 PM

We'll let the third guy bring the "Irish" and do most of the throwing...

Onward Allusion · February 14, 2015, 12:03 AM

If you must have POS, then definitely +1 on the bird's head grip. Add a laser or tightly focused light, because there's no easy way to acquire your target.

eastbank · February 15, 2015, 04:26 AM

a bayonet lug would be a good idea too. eastbank.

Lee Lapin · February 16, 2015, 11:42 PM

You'll have to find a semiauto design without a bolt return spring and tube in the buttstock, if you want to shorten it that much. Not a lot of those around, the old High Standard Supermatic is the only one I can recall offhand.

Smith and Wesson · February 17, 2015, 02:06 AM

Lee Lapin beat me to it, but you'll have to find a semi auto with no action spring (or recoil or return spring or whatever you want to call it) in its stock. The vast majority of semi autos have their action spring in the stock. And finding one that doesn't have the spring in the stock is hard enough, but you'd also have to find an affordable one that has aftermarket options, so you can find a pistol grip. Good luck. (Seriously)

Virginian · February 17, 2015, 08:04 PM

High Standard Supermatic is NOT on the list of dependable actions, either.

TomADC · February 20, 2015, 11:22 AM

We discussed that over here.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...eapest+shotgun

January 14, 2015, 12:29 PM	#1
ratrodney Member Join Date: July 4, 2012 Posts: 99	low buck semi auto. Lookin for a low budget floor sweeper. Semi auto..12 gauge. Want to get it with or customize it to a pistol grip"no buttstock" and mount a foreward grip on it. Short n tactical. Lookin at Charles Daly....Linberta...Ect.... Any suggestions? Tnx, RR

January 14, 2015, 03:21 PM	#2
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	A pistol grip "no buttstock" shotgun is a tv and movie prop that is the most useless thing on the Planet. You have zero control. Low end kit usually means no aftermarket stuff anyway. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

January 14, 2015, 03:36 PM	#3
the rifleer Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2008 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,281	Don't buy a cheap turkish gun. I know some people claim they are great, but i had one (cz 712) fire out of battery and destroy it. save up and buy a quality gun. I knows thats hard to do, but its worth it. The cheapest semi auto gun I would buy is a fanchi or remington 11-87. __________________ There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people.

January 31, 2015, 12:51 AM	#9
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	Cheap and semi-auto don't go together. Good semi's just aren't cheap. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

January 31, 2015, 03:06 AM	#11
Bake Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Calif. Posts: 482	If you want a expensive semi auto, just spend a couple hundred bucks on some POS, spend another couple hundred bucks on crap, to make it look, cool. You will save money on ammo, because it breaks or jams before you can shoot much. Now on the other hand, if you want a inexpensive shotgun, try looking at the name brands like; Remington (at least 50,000 rds.), Benelli (my has around 65,000 rds.), Beretta (at least 65,000 rds.), Browning (a lot ), Winchesters (as many rds.), and even the Mossbergs (45,000 rds.). Of course you will burn a lot of ammo with these shotguns, but you won't be sending them back for warrant repair......Divide the cost of these guns by the number of shots, and suddenly they're cheaper than the marked down POS... __________________ 1. The pattern board is your friend, use the Dam thing!!! 2. The maximum range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually measured in miles, and means nothing. 2a. The effective range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually (the ability of the shooter) measured in yards, and means everything. Last edited by Bake; January 31, 2015 at 03:22 AM.

January 14, 2015, 04:23 PM	#4
SARuger Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2014 Location: Blue Ridge Mountains of VA Posts: 954	Stoeger makes one in the $425 range but I would go the extra $150 and get the 11-87

January 14, 2015, 08:12 PM	#5
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	I believe he meant that the Linberta and Charles Daly are Turkish made. Buying a low price semi is a dumb move if you expect it to be reliable. A lot of folk get the Mossberg semi, but a lot have problems. I prefer the 870, but their pump seems to be pretty good. Get a good used gun before a new POS and go with a forget a pistol grip.

January 14, 2015, 08:28 PM	#7
baddarryl Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2011 Location: Cape Fear! Posts: 1,683	I'd find an old Rem 1100 on the racks and do what I wanted to it. They can be had relatively cheap.

January 14, 2015, 10:35 PM	#8
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	You might ask around local gun clubs and check for sale sections of shotgun forums such as TFL. In particular check trapshooters.com. for a Remington 1100 or 11-87.

January 31, 2015, 01:21 AM	#10
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Used 1100 vs new 1100 = one helluva deal. They will fail on occasion. You can even find them pre-cut. I wouldn't cut one myself. It's a shortcut to a new front tooth. That would make the 1100 experience a bit more costly.

January 31, 2015, 10:05 AM	#13
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Personally I wouldn't get pistol grips BUT if you are dead set on that, at least get the bird's head style and not the straight-down AR style for the rear grip

February 2, 2015, 02:18 PM	#14
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	I think you're low on your round counts. Every one of those guns should go way over 100,000. __________________ What could have happened... did.

February 12, 2015, 03:45 AM	#17
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,308	+1 Seconds to all comments about pistol grips and hard to shoot and useless past near contact distance. And I put the funky vertical foregrips in that useless category as well. The "floor sweeping" shotgun is just another myth. All shotguns need to be aimed/pointed reasonably, , and those two accessories do not help with that at all. Where space is at an absolute premium, the old Remington top folder stock seemed a good compromise. Folded, it stored well, unfolded, it shot OK. Still, Nearly useless when shot folded.

February 12, 2015, 06:02 PM	#18
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	I'm well into the experiment of the Remingtons; way past 100,000. You pick one of the others and we'll recruit a third volunteer to do the other one. __________________ What could have happened... did.

February 12, 2015, 07:00 PM	#19
Bake Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Calif. Posts: 482	We'll let the third guy bring the "Irish" and do most of the throwing... __________________ 1. The pattern board is your friend, use the Dam thing!!! 2. The maximum range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually measured in miles, and means nothing. 2a. The effective range of a firearm and/or cartridge, is usually (the ability of the shooter) measured in yards, and means everything.

February 14, 2015, 12:03 AM	#20
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	If you must have POS, then definitely +1 on the bird's head grip. Add a laser or tightly focused light, because there's no easy way to acquire your target. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

February 15, 2015, 04:26 AM	#21
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	a bayonet lug would be a good idea too. eastbank.

February 16, 2015, 11:42 PM	#22
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	You'll have to find a semiauto design without a bolt return spring and tube in the buttstock, if you want to shorten it that much. Not a lot of those around, the old High Standard Supermatic is the only one I can recall offhand. __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

February 17, 2015, 02:06 AM	#23
Smith and Wesson Member Join Date: March 29, 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 55	Lee Lapin beat me to it, but you'll have to find a semi auto with no action spring (or recoil or return spring or whatever you want to call it) in its stock. The vast majority of semi autos have their action spring in the stock. And finding one that doesn't have the spring in the stock is hard enough, but you'd also have to find an affordable one that has aftermarket options, so you can find a pistol grip. Good luck. (Seriously)

February 17, 2015, 08:04 PM	#24
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	High Standard Supermatic is NOT on the list of dependable actions, either. __________________ What could have happened... did.

February 20, 2015, 11:22 AM	#25
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	We discussed that over here. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...eapest+shotgun __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!