April 19, 2017, 06:53 PM | #26 |
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There are at least two other common stereotypes of gun owners.
Many people see us as crazy thugs,bambi killers,dangerous people who carry guns because they are looking for trouble. The other that I imagine is the young punk. Maybe non white, probably tattooed,unconventional dresser, unusual mannerisms like throwing gang signs. If the average citizen is sitting in a diner near a group of rowdy young guys and spots a shoulder holster, there may be a 911 call. Decent people speaking out for us or joining us is the only way we build a reputation of good people.
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April 20, 2017, 08:06 PM | #27 |
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I believe my theoretical gay neighbors should be able to protect their marijuana fields with AR-15s
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I have a literal gay neighbor. Really like the guy. dances ballet, practices Thai Kwan do. He also keeps a 1911 at his bedside. It's not pink.
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All citizens need to take responsibility for their own safety and security.
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Some people need to be more discreet in discussing private matters. Talking about one's bedroom preferences is not the same as talking about a favorite handgun or hunting rifle.
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That might just depend on who is in attendance................
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I have noticed that most people around here at least don't go to a shooting range and talk about much.
Why would a guy want to do that anyway? Mostly, people tend to discuss things like that around sympathetic people, rather than wasting time and energy talking to people who have no desire to do so. Nobody at a shooting range has ever told me that my toyota sucks, but Lord help me when I show up with thunderbolt ammo. Yes, they may have steel cased stuff in their rifle, but "thunderbolt sucks".
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Thread drift ALERT, Will Robinson!!
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Groups like the Pink Pistols are saying "We are not the typical gun owner and we may not even vote for typically pro-gun parties but we want representation to protect our second amendment rights as well." Making a point of who they are is an important part of the mission. Groups like Pink Pistols and Black Guns Matter are doing important work to help our rights be understood and appreciated by everybody.
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It sounds like there may be a mistaken impression going on that some seem to have that those in the Pink Pistols go to the range to talk about sex. I don't know a whole lot about them but I don't think that, that is true of them any more than any other group of people who get together to go shooting.
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Here is the statement of aims from the San Jose chapter: Quote:
They have chapters around the country from Ala. to Michigan, to Colo. to California and more. http://www.pinkpistols.org/find-a-local-chapter/ I started this thread because I think they set a good example of defending the second amendment and their rights to self defense. I think many here could learn from them. They are clear and open in their objectives. They explain themselves well and honestly, they recruit others to shooting. They reach out for allies. This thread isn't about folks opinions on being gay. It's about an ally in the defense of the Bill of Rights. tipoc |
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(The closest we came was when I referred to a shooter as "ma'am" and asked if that was correct. It was. Good. Now bring that knee forward a bit. Bend the elbow. There ya go.) At the time, they were loosely organized and couldn't seem to hold together. I'm very glad to see they've become larger and more cohesive.
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Some people are indiscreet and opinionated-look at how many heated discussions we have here-and some people think their personal opinions and desires are Gospel Truth. Also a number of people I am in contact with, in person and on boards have found that for some people their sexuality is the be all and end of their existence and the main topic of their conversation. And most violence against that group comes from their own kind.
While it is fun to engage in conversation on a variety of topics I think keeping conversation to the matter at hand-here and on the range-makes things go more smoothly. |
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I think honest folks can disagree without being rude or derogatory. It's a valuable tool and something worth fighting for.
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There used to be a lot more shooting clubs than there are today. I've worked in factories with over 5,000 workers on the floor and we used to have bowling leagues, boaters clubs, fishing clubs, shooting clubs and more. We'd get together go to the range where we had a section reserved and talk about work, guns, movies, politics, and many other things. If no women were there it could get raunchy. The Pink Pistols have a group that has a purpose and it's not to get together to talk about the bedroom. Likely they talk about the same things other folk talk about. It's hard to talk much at an indoor range so maybe they get together for beers afterward. I don't know. Quote:
Then you say, "And most violence against that group comes from their own kind." Personally I'm kinda stumped by what you mean by this statement and whether it makes a bit of difference one way or the other. Are you trying to say that among Gays, just like anyone else, the majority of people shot and killed are from domestic disputes, between family members and friends? By saying "their own kind" is that what you mean? Or did you mean that among the group that thinks their sexuality is the "be all and end all of their existence", that most violence comes from "their own kind". I can take a guess at what you mean but it could be a wrong guess. Seems there is something chewing on your mind and you may just want to take another stab at explaining it. If you feel it's appropriate. tipoc |
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NO, we are not going to discuss personal views of people about sexual orientation - either directly or by indirect approaches.
We will not criticize how people discuss their sexuality and how it bothers you or doesn't not bother you. If someone wants to push their politics, sexuality, religion - we don't care. Close to a close, folks.
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I think it is vital to gun-owners that we show that identity politics do not work with us and that we make it clear that the stereotypical gun-owner does not necessarily exist.
Groups such as this and others strengthen the position of gun owners because it makes it clear that gun ownership crosses all sorts of lines and legislation can harm a candidates standings even with whatever "in" group he or she identifies as being an important part of the base. We need more non-stereo typical gun owners (and voters) to stand up and be vocal about their support for their 2nd amendment rights. Frankly the further from the stereo type the better. |
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Frankly, I think the view that staunch pro gun advocacy is a partisan stance is outdated. Having support from both aisles only makes it easier to protect the right, so the support of a group from a party that has historically been anti gun only looks like a good thing for us to me.
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I think that the existence of the pink pistol group comes under the heading of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Any group that is pro 2nd Amendment is our friend.
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"Three may keep a secret it two of them are dead."
I have noted the proliferation of digital recording devices hits the "Stupid" button in many peoples pysches and causes them to be indiscreet and broadcast things which should either kept among true confidants or left unsaid. As an example I do not like Glocks or polymer or anything other than steel frame pistols. There is no reason for me to go on and one-and bore people, and aggravate. and cause dissension, ill feeling, etc. I don't like them, I will not buy one (though you can always give me one), when somewhat asks me what to recommend I always suggest a steel frame. "Only insecure bores must build themselves up by other people's opinions" Forget where I read that but those are words to live by. The image of gun owners as bigots and Ku-Klux is one that has been foisted on us. I like to quote the words of President Grant. In his Message to Congress urging passage of the Ku-Klux Acts he noted that among the Klan's many crimes was: "They have conspired to deny Negro citizens the right to own and bear arms." |
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