March 24, 2017, 04:06 PM | #26 |
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i carry a g29 as a woodsgun.....to me the additional capacity and the ease to carry makes it a better choice than a revolver. Like someone else said the rounds are pretty close in performance....i really dont shoot mine much so i dont care about price per round etc.
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The best "reverse" combo to own is a .357 Coonan autoloader and a S&W 610 10mm revolver.
Usually this caliber combo is found in the opposite pistol/wheelgun configuration, but for the diehard 10mm/.357 fan nothing is out of reach. Think of it as a pride of ownership thing. |
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I have a Coonan. Have had Desert Eagles in .357. Not interested in a 10mm revolver (or for that matter, an autoloader)
Since I have .357 revolvers, autopistols, and also 44 and 45 caliber revolvers & semi autos, there's nothing I see a 10mm does for me. So, I am posting, but not answering your question, other than I have .357s, and don't have 10mm ( or 40s) so that should tell you where I come down on the question, if I were to answer. I've got no issues with someone who doesn't own one posting about it, you CAN know valid things about things you don't own. And there are people who own something and have no clue about it. If you own one, and you know something about it, its pretty obvious when someone who doesn't starts spouting off. JMNSHO, and worth every penny you paid!
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Admittedly I do not own a 10mm. I have, however, shot approximately a box of ammo through each of two owned by family/friends (a Delta Elite and a Thompson-so both 1911 form factors). Certainly I don't claim to be an expert on either round.
That being said if I could only own one, I'd own the .357. Lower priced ammo, ammo availability and the flexibility to use another cartridge for me outweighed the fun I had shooting the 10mm when I made my purchase at the time. I would have no issue with owning both, but for me the 10mm would be an "also have". |
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Well, I own one 10mm handgun and five .357 Magnum revolvers so I guess it's pretty obvious which one I prefer. 10mm is probably my favorite semi-auto cartridge because it's one of the few that has enough horsepower to, with the right bullet, mimic the performance of my all-time favorite handgun cartridge: .357 Magnum.
I do, however, prefer the .357 Magnum for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, while I own many of both, I generally prefer revolvers to semi-autos and the variety of revolvers available in .357 Magnum is far, far wider than in 10mm. Also, for the size of a revolver in 10mm (S&W N-Frame), I can get something in a caliber like .41 Magnum or .44 Magnum that gives me top-end performance well beyond anything the 10mm is capable of and can still be loaded down to roughly the equivalent of a 10mm if I so desire. Finally, because it's primarily a semi-auto cartridge, 10mm factory ammo (and to some degree component bullets) is largely restricted to what will feed reliably in a semi-automatic handgun. Because the .357 Magnum is primarily a revolver cartridge, it is not so limited in this way and can be had with a much wider variety of bullet shapes, constructions, and weights. |
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I have a Glock G30sf with a .45 to 10mm conversion barrel. Does this count?
Oh, I also have a GP100, a Blackhawk, a 586 and a Colt Three-Five-Seven. I like semi-autos better for my overall shooting pleasure, but find myself preferring a revolver for more power. The Gp100 is a 4.2" barrel, while the rest are 6" or more. For a woods gun, it is hard to pass up a 10mm with 10 rounds for 6 rounds of .357mag. However, I would not feel outgunned with a GP100 on my hip instead of the G30SF with 45 to 10mm barrel in it. |
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package/platform
For me, it's just not the cartridges, which are somewhat similar in performance, but the platform, or the nature of the handgun, that delivers them.
A G20 is a relatively flat, compact package, with few if any protruding parts or sharp edges, and Glocks are renown for their ability to shrug off abuse. A Ruger Blackhawk, big Smith, or other large frame magnum revolver may well have comparitively delicate rear sights, and protruding front sights and hammers that will gouge and bite as you carry them, ejector rods (if DA) that can get bent or come unscrewed, wooden grip panels that can shatter or come unscrewed. Unless the big wheel gun is stainless, one will have to pay attention to some maintenace if carried routinely in the boonies. I have both, and my G20 has largely retired my M28 and Ruger B-hawk as a woods roamer, not just due to capacity , but in ease of carry and lower maintenance. |
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For a hunting gun, capacity is not important. The first shot is the one that counts.
If you are in battle, I am sure a 1000 round mag would be important. I have killed things with my 1911s. I have killed more things with my 357s. I have only killed targets with my G20 Gen 4. To answer the OPs question: 357 |
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All things being equal, I'd keep my G20 because I can handload some pretty mean rounds that give 357 a run for its money and it has capacity beat by a long shot. The Wolf barrel has improved accuracy nicely as well.
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10MM or 357 mag
I'd go for the 357 mag for the speed of the bullet. Also, much easier to buy shelf ammo!
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I have 5 guns that can shoot 357 magnums, 3 in 357 mag and 2 in 357 Super Mag (maximum). I have 3 in 10mm; two semis and one revolver. I like them all but if I HAD to go with one, today it would be the 10mm.
I say today because that could change tomorrow as there is not a big edge for the 10mm. The 10mm, especially out of a revolver with a decent length barrel, has more energy than a 357 mag and just below what my 41 mag has in actual first-hand chronograph range testing. The 357s are accurate but, overall, the 10mm have a little edge over the 357s in accuracy. However switch to 38 special match rounds and my money goes on the 357 to out shoot the 10mm. In any case, this is academic as I have every intention of keeping them all. YMMV. |
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Yeah, I've shot a few and considered getting a 10mm but since I didn't, I won't bore you with the reasons.
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I had a Delta Elite in the 1990's
I have 1911's in 45 acp I have a Glock 20 & 29 I would take the Delta Elite / 10mm over a 357 Revolver -Better for concealed carry, I've carried full size 1911 under a loose fitting shirt. -Potential for quicker follow up shots -Greater capacity -Bigger bullet From my Glock 20 (shorter barrel than Delta Elite) Hornady 155 XTP @ 1,335 fps / 614# KE - factory ammo
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I think he is confusing the 10mm with the 40 S&W. (I've been known to do the same thing)
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"...relatively rare semi-autos."
Coonan is now producing its .357 semi-auto again. |
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Thanks for reminding me. I do own a 10mm. Even if it is Short & Weak.
Using standard load data and comparable barrel lengths the .357 doesn't really out shine .40 or 10mm. A 155 GDHP over 9 grains of Power Pistol gets you over 500 ft/lb in a 4" .40 S&W. A 4" .357 will get well over 500 ft/lb (almost 600 in some cases) but measured from the breech face this is actually a longer barrel. Comparing a 5" auto to a 4" revolver, you've got about a dead heat in roughly comparable handguns. Edit to add chrono results: Shot some .40s over the chrony today. 155gr XTPs over a slightly less than max charge of Power Pistol. 5" barrel M&P M2.0 1278 1304 1300 1275 1261 AV. 1283 fps M.E. 567 ft/lb Short and Weak indeed. No bulging or other drama. What it won't do is move heavier bullets the way a real 10mm will. I'm OK with that. Last edited by random guy; March 30, 2017 at 05:46 PM. |
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I love my blued Delta Elite from the late '80s/early '90s. I reload so ammo is not an issue and I'm already a fan of the 1911.
I also love my 2.5" 686+, but for whatever reason, I never felt the same way about my old 4" 686-4. I sacrifice a lot of velocity with the shorter barrel, but it handles so much better. I carry conceal with it every now and then. I'd be hard pressed to choose between the two, but I would say that it depends on what I intend to do with it. Obviously, the DE is a better hunting gun if you factor in the longer barrel over my 686+, but I feel the .357/.38spl is a much better option for EDC or SD/HD.
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This is my experience with 10MM and .357
I have a G29, a Delta Elite, and a Ruger SP101 with the 3" barrel. I really enjoy the Delta Elite and the SP101 more than the Glock. If I had to chose one of the three, and logically defend my decision, it would be the G29. Granted the Delta Elite would be the one I would chose (its an emotional choice) but logically the G29 should be the choice. |
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Attempting to have "apples to apples" comparison.
4'' revolver doesn't include the chamber whereas a pistol does, so a 4.5'' pistol is roughly equivalent. Less barrel length than OP guns, but comparison is valid. Videos by the same maker. 10mm Underwood 165 Gold Dot from 4.5'' barrel @ 1,450 fps = 770# KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHYEhGlw87M 357 Mag Underwood 158 Gold Dot from 4'' barrel @ 1,213 fps = 516# KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjHg26zycWg&t=56s Fair comparison, 10mm has 23% more KE with a heavier, larger bullet Wanna go heavier? 180 gr. Difficult to get same make ammo, but here are two "regular / off the shelf" loads, not "cherry picking". 10mm Hornady 180 XTP @ 1,261 fps = 636# KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Wal92qOX8 357 Magnum Remington 180 SJHP @ 1,193 fps = 569# KE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrxHjX7eWo Again, the 10mm has more power.
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Revolvers lose some pressure to the cylinder gap where autos don't. Comparing a 357 from a contender and a semi-auto with the same barrel may be a better test of the ammo but those of us who use revolvers deal with the gap. My 140 JHP ammo gets 1464 fps with a 4" barrel. Comparing that to a mid-weight bullet from a 10mm may show that the 10 mm has an advantage. First, the bore is larger which at the same pressure produces more force to the bullet.
However, the 135grain JHP in 10mm has 50 fps lower velocity than the 140 grain in 357 according to the Sierra manual (5th edition 6th printing) Even at that I believe the 10mm is probably the more powerful round on paper. The difference in real defensive shooting is going to be minimal with the exception of the number of rounds available. |
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