.223 vs .45 ACP? - Page 2

9mmhpfan · December 6, 2012, 08:36 PM

After World WarII and The Korean War, the U.S Military started looking at the way infantry battles had been / were being fought at the time. They found that most infantry engagements happed at about 50 yards distance give or take a few yards. They then considered the 30-06 caliber which hit it performance envelope at about 600 plus yards, give or take a few yards. The military decided that they wanted a caliber that had the 30-06 knock down power at 50 yards. After much experimenting they came up with the theory if you propelled a 22 caliber at blistering velocities you could acheive this. I remember reading about the Laos Incursion in 1971 and how some network news reporter came up to the battefield after the shooting was all over and saw the dead vc who she thought had been mutilated by the Marines after they were dead by axes or machetes. She was planning on filing a complaint with the international war crimes commission when the LTC in charge of the battalion told her none of his marines did anything like that. The 5.56 had just worked really at the up close and personal distances. The writer of the book who was him self a retired LTC said it gave him some relief to when this woman no longer showed up to cover the news stories about his marines were in. The 45 ACP is a great round and a person using it could stand a good chance of winning if it were an up close and moving type of fight with no cover to hide behind, however if it is a fight where there is lots of cover to shoot from, best to exfil out of the area then and there. There is an old saying that a man is a fool to take a knife to a gun fight, well a man is fool to take a pistol to a rifle or shotgun fight.

manta49 · December 8, 2012, 05:49 AM

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After World WarII and The Korean War, the U.S Military started looking at the way infantry battles had been / were being fought at the time. They found that most infantry engagements happed at about 50 yards distance give or take a few yards.

They were a bit late doing that the Russians and Germans figured that out during WW2.

December 6, 2012, 08:36 PM	#26
9mmhpfan Member Join Date: May 16, 2007 Posts: 86	After World WarII and The Korean War, the U.S Military started looking at the way infantry battles had been / were being fought at the time. They found that most infantry engagements happed at about 50 yards distance give or take a few yards. They then considered the 30-06 caliber which hit it performance envelope at about 600 plus yards, give or take a few yards. The military decided that they wanted a caliber that had the 30-06 knock down power at 50 yards. After much experimenting they came up with the theory if you propelled a 22 caliber at blistering velocities you could acheive this. I remember reading about the Laos Incursion in 1971 and how some network news reporter came up to the battefield after the shooting was all over and saw the dead vc who she thought had been mutilated by the Marines after they were dead by axes or machetes. She was planning on filing a complaint with the international war crimes commission when the LTC in charge of the battalion told her none of his marines did anything like that. The 5.56 had just worked really at the up close and personal distances. The writer of the book who was him self a retired LTC said it gave him some relief to when this woman no longer showed up to cover the news stories about his marines were in. The 45 ACP is a great round and a person using it could stand a good chance of winning if it were an up close and moving type of fight with no cover to hide behind, however if it is a fight where there is lots of cover to shoot from, best to exfil out of the area then and there. There is an old saying that a man is a fool to take a knife to a gun fight, well a man is fool to take a pistol to a rifle or shotgun fight.