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Not wanting to rely on electronic reloading equipment has nothing to do with modems, electronic communications etc. Being anti electric in a discussion on powder measuring should be taken in context.
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I'm not at all "anti electric", I have tons of things that are electric, including the majority of my house. But, I also like to have some things, like the wood stove in my living room (or the oil lamp in the closet) that work when the electric company does not.
I have nothing against any of the electric reloading tools, (other then the cost ) fine for the home shop, I just like the idea that I could, if necessary reload just fine when the power is out.
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I do have a Redding balance beam scale, NIB, and #55 and PPM ready for that eventuality. But will not give up the Chargemaster.
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And i sure ain't reloading by candle/oil lamp light, and my case rumbler plugs in.
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I have rcbs uniflow. It is alright. I use it for all my loads, except for one caliber or two. I have trained myself to do +/-0.1 to 0.15gr on regular basis. It came with 2 vernier inserts; rifle and pistol. I don't know where the rifle insert is. I won't be needing it till I get myself into loading magnum rifle rounds. The smaller diameter of the pistol insert gives me better precision. I have worn out its original plastic drop tubes. The aluminum replacements work better.
Is +/-0.1gr good enough? It depends. I like using percentage. 0.1gr out of a 50gr 30-06 load is 0.2%. Not bad. 0.1gr out of a 5gr pistol load is problematic 2%. MV varies with powder charge almost percent to percent. So I can't use it for my .25acp with charge barely over 2gr. For those rare occasions, I have trickler with electronic scale that can resolve 1mg (0.02gr). Talking about scale. I did try balance scale. I can't bear it. When I use it to set up the uniflow, it tells over or under with ok speed. But it would be pulling teeth if I want to know over/under by how much. I need that to adjust the vernier on the uniflow. I have been experimenting with .223 loads lately. 0.2gr out of 25gr is 0.8%. For MV of 3000fps, I shouldn't be surprised to see MV variations of +/-20fps or more. I have noticed spread opened up when I switched from ball to stick powder. Perhaps I will do trickling. Electronic dispenser is cool. But I'm too cheap to spend the money. Trickling does the same. -TL Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk |
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I have accumulated quite a few over the past 50 years, so here goes with my experiences.
First off since you asked about accuracy I need to say that I just recently went with the A&D with the powder trickle or system from Adam McDonald and there is nothing and I repeat nothing that is going to get more accurate for our needs however, it comes at a cost Now in regards to the other throwers I have the Herrels is really accurate but you’ve got to get a rhythm to get consistent. The unit flow from RCBS is the oldest in the stable still works beautifully. I have had a Lymans auto dispenser. It was OK, but crapped out after just a couple of years and I went with a RCBS unit (with the straw insert) and probably use it when I don’t need ultimate precision it usually gets me to 0.1 grain consistently. There is also a Hornady LnL thrower on my AP and it is fine for pistol work on the progressive I probably need to add for the sake of clarity that before I got the McDonald’s system I did use a little dandy trickier and typically threw a load a couple of greens under what I needed and tripled up, but that was long before I got the upgraded A and D scale and trickle system when I needed precision loads. |
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It looks like both the A&D and what Erik Cortina is showing on his vid here is more or less the same thing I do in terms of measuring components used. One thing that seems to be missing in the discussion is the importance of accurate calibration and zeroing; The instrumentation on the individual components might not measure and calibrate the zero in the same way resulting in a bias difference. For example, in Erik's video I would not be surprised if the chargemaster and the scale showed different weights for the powder pan (which he skillfully did not show for the chargemaster ) I find that I have to recalibrate and rezero for each charge weight as that difference can result in growing error. That error is mostly in the hundredths of a grain but can start into tenths of grain pretty quickly. I can't tell for sure if the A&D system only needs one device for calibration.
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March 23, 2023, 04:22 AM | #36 |
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I dont throw powder I measure it
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