What the heck - Page 9

Ozzieman · October 17, 2016, 05:46 PM

I really thought that one would last longer, I'm really starting to think my computer has been hacked like Hillary's

63 Ribeyrolles 1918 automatic carbine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeyr...omatic_carbine
The Ribeyrolles 1918 was an attempt to manufacture an automatic rifle for the French forces. It was chambered in the experimental 8×35 mm round, used straight blow-back, was fed from a 25 round magazine and had an effective range of 400 m. The cartridge, arguably the first purpose-built intermediate cartridge, was obtained by necking it down the .351 Winchester Self-Loading.[1] Another source indicates that it was chambered in a cartridge designated 8×32 mmSR.[2]
Its official name was Carabine Mitrailleuse 1918[citation needed] (Machine Carbine 1918 in English); in a 2007 book it appears as "fusil automatique Ribeyrolles 1918".[2] The Ribeyrolles had the distinction of being fitted with a lightweight bipod on the front (which would be meant to be used as a support weapon for a group of soldiers) and a rifle bayonet identical to that of Berthier Model 1907/15.

Ozzieman · October 17, 2016, 05:51 PM

Its a tool for a gun.
For extra points who designed it?

**Mike Irwin** · October 18, 2016, 05:18 AM

Lewwallace,

That's a Webley and Scott Model 1910 semi-auto pistol in .38 ACP.

If it had a hammer, it would be a Model 1913.

Ozzieman · October 19, 2016, 07:05 PM

Its a tool for a gun.
Sorry for taking so long to get back on this one.
I'm not going to tell you what it is. But I will give you a location for a movie that shows how its used and what it is used on.
A great man designed it and it was used on the production line.
This one is not an original but a copy of his original design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CLvnLgDOWs

Ozzieman · October 19, 2016, 07:15 PM

Next for your employment

sgms · October 19, 2016, 08:03 PM

I believe that is a Turner Light Rifle one of the submissions for the carbine competition during WW2. He submitted 2 one with a skeletal stock and air cooled leave the other with a more standard wood furniture set with a different sight set up.

Ozzieman · October 20, 2016, 04:44 PM

Its a tool for a gun.
Here is another photo of John Garand's en block clip loader

Ozzieman · October 20, 2016, 04:46 PM

sgms Good one, I have also attached a photo of his 2nd variant

1 Turner M1941 Carbine variant 1
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/ligh...urner-carbine/
Turner carbine
Russell Turner was a private inventor from Pennsylvania, and submitted this prototype to the Light Rifle trials in August of 1941. It was an unusual entrant in its use of a metal forearm and tubular metal stock (both of which were deemed unacceptable by the test committee). It was a gas operated design with a 3-position adjustable gas regulator and a piston running along the right side of the barrel. Full auto fire was enabled by turning the hex-head socket screw behind the trigger. It weight in at 4.5 pounds with a sling and 5-round magazine, with a 15.5 inch barrel and 33.9 inch OAL.
The rifle did not perform well in testing – the committee rated its general functioning as “poor”, although it did not have trouble with parts failures. Accuracy and recoil were deemed excellent, but the rain and dust tests were not very successful. The final report suggested that Mr. Turner improve the rifle and resubmit it.

Ozzieman · October 20, 2016, 04:52 PM

This one might not be so hard.
If you guess correctly then What rifle beat it to replace the Springfield 1873 Trap door.
If you have to look it up on line then your cheating on this one

Ulrice · October 20, 2016, 10:41 PM

i guess a winchester 1895

Old Stony · October 21, 2016, 01:27 AM

Maybe a Krag?

Jimro · October 21, 2016, 06:53 AM

The "Savage Military Rifle" which lost out in the 1892 military rifle trials to the Krag-Jorgenson was later tweaked and brought to market as the Savage 1895, which received one more refinement to become the famous Savage 1899 lever action rifle.

As a side note, the Krag-Jorgenson wasn't the shortest lived standard service rifle, that honor falls to the M14 which had an official lifespan of only 6 years (although it is still in service as an SDM and Sniper rifle). The Krag was replaced by the M1903 which had a 71 year service life, and the M14 was replaced with the M16, which is only in its 51st year of service.

The Savage 99 sold over a million units, making it a more successful design than the Army's order of a half million Krag 1894s.

Jimro

**Mike Irwin** · October 21, 2016, 07:39 AM

"The "Savage Military Rifle" which lost out in the 1892 military rifle trials to the Krag-Jorgenson..."

No. That's a commercial Savage.

It has a schnable forearm. The military prototype rifles, and Savage's later military muskets, all had full-length stocks, upper hand guards, finger grooves, and bayonet lugs.

The picture isn't very clear, but that sight appears to be the ramp adjustable Marble style sight that was available prior to World War I.

Can't tell from that angle whether the buttstock is a perchbelly or not.

The butt has obviously been cut for a recoil pad, and a particularly ill fitted one, at that.

My guess is, given the straight lever body, that it's pre World War I.

Jimro · October 21, 2016, 09:27 AM

Mike Irwin,

You are correct, I thought Ozzieman was asking which variant of Savage lever rifle was beat out by the Krag, not which variant of Savage 99 was in the picture.

Jimro

**Mike Irwin** · October 21, 2016, 09:50 AM

OH! Ah hell, yeah, I think you're right. I misread the question.

Ozzieman · October 21, 2016, 03:31 PM

I never said I wasn't sneaky.
Just wait until I get into gun tools

Ozzieman · October 21, 2016, 03:34 PM

What the heck,,, might as well start now.
What is it?

Ozzieman · October 21, 2016, 03:36 PM

And if you cant tell me what this is and who built it...... SHAME ON YOU

Ulrice · October 21, 2016, 10:20 PM

The first picture is of a Despatch Recapper made by G&J.W.Hawksly. It is a tool for removing and refilling the firing cap. I'm guessing that the second picture is a priming tool.

Ozzieman · October 22, 2016, 11:01 AM

Ulrice, very good, You got the HARD one correct and the second WRONG>

The original photo I removed the primer decapping pin because I felt that cheating was in order
Then I did on the second one, the second one was not a gun but a design by one of the great Tool and gun designers of the century.
Ruger Drill

If anyone sees a video of someone using one, please share.

Ozzieman · October 22, 2016, 11:08 AM

It is a reloading tool.
What dose it reload?

Ozzieman · October 23, 2016, 06:14 PM

Sorry I can't show you how they work and I didn't know that pin fire cartridges were reloadable. The two photos are following. This is also a good explanation of the Pin fire cartridge on the web site below.
3 A 12B G & J.W. Hawksley pinfire redecapper
3 B is a pinfire redecapper and cartridge trimming tool. At the end of the handle is a knurled wheel on a grub screw which is used to grip the old pin to remove from the cartridge. The tool also incorporates a cartridge trimmer blade which emerges when the knurled ring on the body of the tool is turned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinfire_cartridge

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...9A&FORM=VRDGAR

This is acturaly a stupid person shooting a pin fire shot gun built in 1869. Both barrels at once.
Can any one spell Damascus Barrel

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...FF&FORM=VRDGAR

Ozzieman · October 23, 2016, 06:56 PM

Back to guns.

**Mike Irwin** · October 25, 2016, 06:32 AM

That one took me awhile.

I knew that I had seen it before, and I finally found a reference to it....

The Andrews submachine gun.

Sort of the British answer to the Grease gun, which is odd considering that they had the Sten.

Ozzieman · October 25, 2016, 05:26 PM

Good one Mike.
Forgotten weapons has a good article on the gun.

94 Andrews Machine Carbine

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/andr...chine-carbine/

October 17, 2016, 05:46 PM	#201
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	I really thought that one would last longer, I'm really starting to think my computer has been hacked like Hillary's 63 Ribeyrolles 1918 automatic carbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeyr...omatic_carbine The Ribeyrolles 1918 was an attempt to manufacture an automatic rifle for the French forces. It was chambered in the experimental 8×35 mm round, used straight blow-back, was fed from a 25 round magazine and had an effective range of 400 m. The cartridge, arguably the first purpose-built intermediate cartridge, was obtained by necking it down the .351 Winchester Self-Loading.[1] Another source indicates that it was chambered in a cartridge designated 8×32 mmSR.[2] Its official name was Carabine Mitrailleuse 1918[citation needed] (Machine Carbine 1918 in English); in a 2007 book it appears as "fusil automatique Ribeyrolles 1918".[2] The Ribeyrolles had the distinction of being fitted with a lightweight bipod on the front (which would be meant to be used as a support weapon for a group of soldiers) and a rifle bayonet identical to that of Berthier Model 1907/15. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

October 18, 2016, 05:18 AM	#203
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	Lewwallace, That's a Webley and Scott Model 1910 semi-auto pistol in .38 ACP. If it had a hammer, it would be a Model 1913. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 19, 2016, 07:05 PM	#204
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Its a tool for a gun. Sorry for taking so long to get back on this one. I'm not going to tell you what it is. But I will give you a location for a movie that shows how its used and what it is used on. A great man designed it and it was used on the production line. This one is not an original but a copy of his original design. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CLvnLgDOWs __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

October 19, 2016, 08:03 PM	#206
sgms Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2010 Location: Arizona or Ohio depending Posts: 1,021	I believe that is a Turner Light Rifle one of the submissions for the carbine competition during WW2. He submitted 2 one with a skeletal stock and air cooled leave the other with a more standard wood furniture set with a different sight set up. Last edited by sgms; October 19, 2016 at 08:10 PM.

October 21, 2016, 06:53 AM	#212
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	The "Savage Military Rifle" which lost out in the 1892 military rifle trials to the Krag-Jorgenson was later tweaked and brought to market as the Savage 1895, which received one more refinement to become the famous Savage 1899 lever action rifle. As a side note, the Krag-Jorgenson wasn't the shortest lived standard service rifle, that honor falls to the M14 which had an official lifespan of only 6 years (although it is still in service as an SDM and Sniper rifle). The Krag was replaced by the M1903 which had a 71 year service life, and the M14 was replaced with the M16, which is only in its 51st year of service. The Savage 99 sold over a million units, making it a more successful design than the Army's order of a half million Krag 1894s. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

October 20, 2016, 10:41 PM	#210
Ulrice Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 95	i guess a winchester 1895

October 21, 2016, 01:27 AM	#211
Old Stony Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2013 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,705	Maybe a Krag?

October 21, 2016, 07:39 AM	#213
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	"The "Savage Military Rifle" which lost out in the 1892 military rifle trials to the Krag-Jorgenson..." No. That's a commercial Savage. It has a schnable forearm. The military prototype rifles, and Savage's later military muskets, all had full-length stocks, upper hand guards, finger grooves, and bayonet lugs. The picture isn't very clear, but that sight appears to be the ramp adjustable Marble style sight that was available prior to World War I. Can't tell from that angle whether the buttstock is a perchbelly or not. The butt has obviously been cut for a recoil pad, and a particularly ill fitted one, at that. My guess is, given the straight lever body, that it's pre World War I. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 21, 2016, 09:27 AM	#214
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	Mike Irwin, You are correct, I thought Ozzieman was asking which variant of Savage lever rifle was beat out by the Krag, not which variant of Savage 99 was in the picture. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

October 21, 2016, 09:50 AM	#215
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	OH! Ah hell, yeah, I think you're right. I misread the question. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 21, 2016, 03:31 PM	#216
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	I never said I wasn't sneaky. Just wait until I get into gun tools __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

October 21, 2016, 10:20 PM	#219
Ulrice Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 95	The first picture is of a Despatch Recapper made by G&J.W.Hawksly. It is a tool for removing and refilling the firing cap. I'm guessing that the second picture is a priming tool.

October 23, 2016, 06:14 PM	#222
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Sorry I can't show you how they work and I didn't know that pin fire cartridges were reloadable. The two photos are following. This is also a good explanation of the Pin fire cartridge on the web site below. 3 A 12B G & J.W. Hawksley pinfire redecapper 3 B is a pinfire redecapper and cartridge trimming tool. At the end of the handle is a knurled wheel on a grub screw which is used to grip the old pin to remove from the cartridge. The tool also incorporates a cartridge trimmer blade which emerges when the knurled ring on the body of the tool is turned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinfire_cartridge https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...9A&FORM=VRDGAR This is acturaly a stupid person shooting a pin fire shot gun built in 1869. Both barrels at once. Can any one spell Damascus Barrel https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...FF&FORM=VRDGAR __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe. Last edited by Ozzieman; October 23, 2016 at 06:56 PM.

October 25, 2016, 06:32 AM	#224
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	That one took me awhile. I knew that I had seen it before, and I finally found a reference to it.... The Andrews submachine gun. Sort of the British answer to the Grease gun, which is odd considering that they had the Sten. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 25, 2016, 05:26 PM	#225
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Good one Mike. Forgotten weapons has a good article on the gun. 94 Andrews Machine Carbine http://www.forgottenweapons.com/andr...chine-carbine/ __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.