Frames for TFL?

othermarc · September 2, 1999, 04:24 PM

I was wondering if you ever considered putting the TFL Logo, links, and other things on the top of every page into a separate frame. There's a lot of things that frames could be useful for here, including a list of forum topics so that we could hop between topics.

I know some people just don't like frames, or don't want to use them for those with "lesser" browsers, so I promise Iwon't be hurt if you don't like my idea

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**Rich Lucibella** · September 2, 1999, 07:24 PM

I know nothing of the benefit of "frames". Email me, please.
Rich

[email protected] · September 2, 1999, 08:10 PM

Anything that can be done with frames, can be done better without them.

In other words, frames suck.

Spark

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othermarc · September 3, 1999, 11:42 AM

Spark,
What don't you like about frames? And how can their effects be duplicated without using them? Please share, I always want to improve my website.

Marc

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I hate laws that make me a criminal without me even knowing it.
Connecticut is the "Constitution" State
http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/beefclub

[email protected] · September 3, 1999, 06:58 PM

Frames are bad for a number of reasons. They make it more difficult to maintain your site, they take up precious real estate on your monitor, etc etc etc.

An example of how not to use frames can be seen on Benchmade's site, http://www.benchmade.com

On larger resolution settings, great portions of the screen is taken up needlessly by the frames.

If you don't link to other sites properly, you wind up "framing" them as well. I had this happen to me, someone was framing a site I built and claiming the content as their own, essentially stealing my hard work. Not cool.

There's plenty of pages out there that will tell you why frames suck: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html

Spark

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George Hill · September 3, 1999, 08:29 PM

I agree with Spark here... BIG TIME.
Frames even well done Frames are second place to a well done Frameless site.

Rich, Please... Dont even THINK of going frames...

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You are a witness of change and to counteract - We gotta take the power back!"

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othermarc · September 4, 1999, 12:14 PM

I stand corrected

Perhaps I will even change my site. I didn't realize that 10% of web surfers can't view frames.

[This message has been edited by othermarc (edited September 04, 1999).]

**Rich Lucibella** · September 4, 1999, 01:09 PM

marc-
Sorry I had you go to the trouble of emailing me...and thanks. Obviously, given the responses here, frames are not on the agenda.
Rich

othermarc · September 5, 1999, 10:47 AM

no trouble, Rich. now, if it comes up again, you'll know. No harm done, just a small bruise on my web creating ego.

El Chimango Pete · September 5, 1999, 05:32 PM

Good, no pframes

Pframes are pfui

September 2, 1999, 04:24 PM	#1
othermarc Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 1999 Location: Stamford, CT, USA Posts: 248	I was wondering if you ever considered putting the TFL Logo, links, and other things on the top of every page into a separate frame. There's a lot of things that frames could be useful for here, including a list of forum topics so that we could hop between topics. I know some people just don't like frames, or don't want to use them for those with "lesser" browsers, so I promise Iwon't be hurt if you don't like my idea ------------------ I hate laws that make me a criminal without me even knowing it. Connecticut is the "Constitution" State http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/beefclub

September 2, 1999, 07:24 PM	#2
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	I know nothing of the benefit of "frames". Email me, please. Rich

September 2, 1999, 08:10 PM	#3
[email protected] Wise Guy Join Date: October 10, 1998 Posts: 665	Anything that can be done with frames, can be done better without them. In other words, frames suck. Spark ------------------ Kevin Jon Schlossberg SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com www.bladeforums.com

September 3, 1999, 11:42 AM	#4
othermarc Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 1999 Location: Stamford, CT, USA Posts: 248	Spark, What don't you like about frames? And how can their effects be duplicated without using them? Please share, I always want to improve my website. Marc ------------------ I hate laws that make me a criminal without me even knowing it. Connecticut is the "Constitution" State http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/beefclub

September 3, 1999, 06:58 PM	#5
[email protected] Wise Guy Join Date: October 10, 1998 Posts: 665	Frames are bad for a number of reasons. They make it more difficult to maintain your site, they take up precious real estate on your monitor, etc etc etc. An example of how not to use frames can be seen on Benchmade's site, http://www.benchmade.com On larger resolution settings, great portions of the screen is taken up needlessly by the frames. If you don't link to other sites properly, you wind up "framing" them as well. I had this happen to me, someone was framing a site I built and claiming the content as their own, essentially stealing my hard work. Not cool. There's plenty of pages out there that will tell you why frames suck: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html Spark ------------------ Kevin Jon Schlossberg SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com www.bladeforums.com

September 3, 1999, 08:29 PM	#6
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	I agree with Spark here... BIG TIME. Frames even well done Frames are second place to a well done Frameless site. Rich, Please... Dont even THINK of going frames... ------------------ "The rage is relentless... We need a movement with a quickness. You are a witness of change and to counteract - We gotta take the power back!" RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE The Critic formerly known as Kodiac

September 4, 1999, 12:14 PM	#7
othermarc Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 1999 Location: Stamford, CT, USA Posts: 248	I stand corrected Perhaps I will even change my site. I didn't realize that 10% of web surfers can't view frames. [This message has been edited by othermarc (edited September 04, 1999).]

September 4, 1999, 01:09 PM	#8
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	marc- Sorry I had you go to the trouble of emailing me...and thanks. Obviously, given the responses here, frames are not on the agenda. Rich

September 5, 1999, 10:47 AM	#9
othermarc Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 1999 Location: Stamford, CT, USA Posts: 248	no trouble, Rich. now, if it comes up again, you'll know. No harm done, just a small bruise on my web creating ego.

September 5, 1999, 05:32 PM	#10
El Chimango Pete Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 1999 Location: Sierras de Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 352	Good, no pframes Pframes are pfui