L E O carrying a revolver - Page 4

stagpanther · October 8, 2018, 05:43 PM

I already apologized for that

But like you yourself said--once time comes into play it seems the motivation to empty the magazine also goes up.

DPris · October 8, 2018, 06:35 PM

No further apology necessary, just trying to clarify what you saw.
Was it a full mag dump in a timed run, or merely a couple timed shots in a regulated successive firing pattern?
Denis

Nick_C_S · October 8, 2018, 07:17 PM

77 responses. I think I broke the internet

Interesting reading. Good stuff.

DPris · October 8, 2018, 07:18 PM

Could easily hit 80.

Denis

stagpanther · October 8, 2018, 07:50 PM

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Was it a full mag dump in a timed run, or merely a couple timed shots in a regulated successive firing pattern?

I'm guessing it was full mag dump--in fact I want to say multi mag dump and reload was part of at least one exercise/test. It seemed pretty regimented--even the down time between shooting looked like it was being timed. To be honest I was shooting too a few lanes over so I didn't watch them all the way through.

kraigwy · October 8, 2018, 08:05 PM

IF I was to get back into LE, I'd carry my Model 28, it worked for 20 years and still works today. I trust it over any glock I've fired.

[img]https://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/posting/websize/Model%2028.JPG[/img\

DPris · October 8, 2018, 08:11 PM

Thanks Stag.
That's NOT been a part of qualification or routine training for decades.

That's a speed dump, reload, and dump.

It's not the standard timed fire with a specific number of shots on the whistle.
Denis

stagpanther · October 8, 2018, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Thanks Stag.
That's NOT been a part of qualification or routine training for decades.
That's a speed dump, reload, and dump.

It's not the standard timed fire with a specific number of shots on the whistle.
Denis

Cool--I stand corrected--though the guy doing the shooting looked kinda "apprehensive" and the "administrator" had a clipboard and seemed to be taking notes. His target looked kinda like a shotgun target by the time he was done.

DPris · October 9, 2018, 01:22 AM

Didn't I just see a murder conviction in the news involving an officer who shot somebody 17 times, with one of the reasons the jury convicted being exactly that?
Denis

briandg · October 9, 2018, 02:36 PM

how could a cop manage to put seventeen rounds into someone?

DPris · October 9, 2018, 03:47 PM

He apparently had a 17-shot gun, that's how.

Denis

briandg · October 9, 2018, 07:06 PM

I just watched the video. have you seen it? he hit with all of those rounds, even pausing while the kid was laying nearly in the fetal position.

There was something seriously wrong with that. But this isn't something to talk about here, unless it's a point to be made about not allowing cops to carry more than six rounds in their duty guns.

DPris · October 9, 2018, 09:04 PM

No, it's a point about the mentality of "I got 'em, I'm gonna use 'em all."
That conviction was merely a side note in the discussion.
Denis

Nanuk · October 9, 2018, 10:08 PM

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During the transition period, when I was carrying my 25-5 & qualifying next to autos, I outshot at least half of the guys with autos.

In the early 90's when I was in El Paso, TX with the Border Patrol I out shot most of the guys shooting Sig's and Glocks with my 4" 686 and magnum ammo at quals all the time.

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No, it's a point about the mentality of "I got 'em, I'm gonna use 'em all."
That conviction was merely a side note in the discussion.
Denis

That rears its head frequently in shoot outs.

DPris · October 9, 2018, 10:14 PM

Confucius say: Pistol man with many misses never win contest against revolver man with solid hits.

Denis

t4terrific · October 13, 2018, 12:58 PM

I don’t really care what cops carry. I carry what I choose, they should carry what they choose.

A good cop isn’t defined by the kind of firepower they carry. An effective cop isn’t either.

If a cop had a neat .357 or .44 on his hip, I’d think it cool.

I carry a Glock 23 though. I’m not cool.

stagpanther · October 13, 2018, 01:37 PM

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I carry a Glock 23 though. I’m not cool.

You're "perfected."

Beachcomber · October 14, 2018, 12:34 AM

I guess the moral of this story is...
"It's not the one who carries the most ammunition in his firearm... it's the one who puts the solid hits on his assailant first."

armoredman · October 14, 2018, 03:19 AM

"You can't miss fast enough to win."
Some people should listen to Evan Marshall talk about his experiences with both revolver and auto. I've carried both, and I am better with a semi auto pistol. I can reload a Model 10 faster than most can, and hit well with it, so loaded with good ammo I wouldn't feel undergunned with a 38 Spl. revolver, but for on duty use it's a semi auto with two spare mags. Off duty it's a CZ P-10C with two or three mags, depending on circumstances.

But, again, I've carried a six shot 38 Special as recently as two years agio, with two speedloaders, a sidearm I was proficient with and could reload relatively quickly, and didn't feel undergunned at all.

October 8, 2018, 05:43 PM	#76
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,772	I already apologized for that But like you yourself said--once time comes into play it seems the motivation to empty the magazine also goes up. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

October 8, 2018, 07:17 PM	#78
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,522	77 responses. I think I broke the internet Interesting reading. Good stuff. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

October 8, 2018, 08:05 PM	#81
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	IF I was to get back into LE, I'd carry my Model 28, it worked for 20 years and still works today. I trust it over any glock I've fired. [img]https://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/posting/websize/Model%2028.JPG[/img\ __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

October 9, 2018, 02:36 PM	#85
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	how could a cop manage to put seventeen rounds into someone? __________________ None.

October 9, 2018, 07:06 PM	#87
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I just watched the video. have you seen it? he hit with all of those rounds, even pausing while the kid was laying nearly in the fetal position. There was something seriously wrong with that. But this isn't something to talk about here, unless it's a point to be made about not allowing cops to carry more than six rounds in their duty guns. __________________ None.

October 8, 2018, 06:35 PM	#77
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	No further apology necessary, just trying to clarify what you saw. Was it a full mag dump in a timed run, or merely a couple timed shots in a regulated successive firing pattern? Denis

October 8, 2018, 07:18 PM	#79
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Could easily hit 80. Denis

October 8, 2018, 08:11 PM	#82
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Thanks Stag. That's NOT been a part of qualification or routine training for decades. That's a speed dump, reload, and dump. It's not the standard timed fire with a specific number of shots on the whistle. Denis

October 9, 2018, 01:22 AM	#84
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Didn't I just see a murder conviction in the news involving an officer who shot somebody 17 times, with one of the reasons the jury convicted being exactly that? Denis

October 9, 2018, 03:47 PM	#86
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	He apparently had a 17-shot gun, that's how. Denis

October 9, 2018, 09:04 PM	#88
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	No, it's a point about the mentality of "I got 'em, I'm gonna use 'em all." That conviction was merely a side note in the discussion. Denis

October 9, 2018, 10:14 PM	#90
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Confucius say: Pistol man with many misses never win contest against revolver man with solid hits. Denis

October 13, 2018, 12:58 PM	#91
t4terrific Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2009 Posts: 307	I don’t really care what cops carry. I carry what I choose, they should carry what they choose. A good cop isn’t defined by the kind of firepower they carry. An effective cop isn’t either. If a cop had a neat .357 or .44 on his hip, I’d think it cool. I carry a Glock 23 though. I’m not cool.

October 14, 2018, 12:34 AM	#93
Beachcomber Member Join Date: April 2, 2005 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 44	I guess the moral of this story is... "It's not the one who carries the most ammunition in his firearm... it's the one who puts the solid hits on his assailant first."

October 14, 2018, 03:19 AM	#94
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	"You can't miss fast enough to win." Some people should listen to Evan Marshall talk about his experiences with both revolver and auto. I've carried both, and I am better with a semi auto pistol. I can reload a Model 10 faster than most can, and hit well with it, so loaded with good ammo I wouldn't feel undergunned with a 38 Spl. revolver, but for on duty use it's a semi auto with two spare mags. Off duty it's a CZ P-10C with two or three mags, depending on circumstances. But, again, I've carried a six shot 38 Special as recently as two years agio, with two speedloaders, a sidearm I was proficient with and could reload relatively quickly, and didn't feel undergunned at all.