Revolver shotgun? what do you think?

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 08:29 AM

Ok so not too long ago there was a thread about shotgun technology being dead and no new developments which made me think. Has there ever been a shotgun that was fed off of a revolving cylinder instead of a magazine tube?
Just think those old long barrel shoulders stocked revolvers the cavalry used to use. Can anyone think of any pros or cons to such a design?

stealintv · June 18, 2011, 08:43 AM

Check out the Rossi Circuit Judge. Never shot one, so I cannot say anything good or bad. It is a cool idea, and I would own one just "to have". I prefer a pump any way....

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 08:47 AM

Yes I forgot to mention these, and they do work, But I was thinking a full size shotgun as apposed to a pistol. Why have we not seen a full size shotgun fed by a revolving cylinder?

hogdogs · June 18, 2011, 08:49 AM

Ummm... Slower to re-load. Far more moving parts to possibly fail.Cost to build a high quality one? Weight?

Reloading could be helped with a speed loader but can you imagine the size it would be?

Brent

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 08:56 AM

well although I have never experienced one, I have talked to a lot of people who have had feeding/loading failures with tubes, specifically with higher capacity tubes and extension. This would pretty much eliminate this issue.

Also, it would allow for much higher capacity with a shorter shotgun, without the need of a magazine.

mavracer · June 18, 2011, 09:06 AM

colt made one a few years ago 1855 lol.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6152389
it would require a very large cylinder to have much capacity.

Dave McC · June 18, 2011, 09:31 AM

The notorious Street Sweeper was one such, now banned as a destructive device. A 12 gauge revolver with a clunky gritty action. Slow to reload, hard to shoot well, and now verboten to the proletariat.

There have been others, ranging from Colt's 1855 versions to the Stryker,similar to the Street Sweeper above.

Universally, the problem has been with the barrel/cylinder gap. Stuff comes out of there right on the forward arm. People have been burned.

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 09:33 AM

@mavracer very cool, never saaw one of these! if it was not 2 grand it would be an awesome addition to the collection

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 09:36 AM

@ dave, I thought the street sweeper was a circular magazine similer to the tommy gun as apposed to a revolving cylinder, but now that I see that is not the case I guess this thread is pretty much worthless!

SDC · June 18, 2011, 10:38 AM

Russia's TsKIB SOO (now a subsidiary of Tula's KBP) makes the MTs255 revolving shotgun, in gauges from 410 to 12; they also make a PISTOL version in 12 gauge, for riot control, as the OTs-62

http://www.tulatskib.ru/ohota_pdf/255.pdf

http://www.tulatskib.ru/boevoe_pdf/OTs62.pdf

C0untZer0 · June 18, 2011, 10:57 AM

The idea does have merit in some places - ala the M32 which some people really seem to like:

When it comes to shotguns, I'm not sure there is an advantage with a revolver type mechanism over a semi-auto design that feeds from a drum magazine...

Hawg · June 18, 2011, 11:24 AM

It's drum fed but 300 rounds per minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCSVzOqqRHs

Ruthless4christ · June 18, 2011, 06:11 PM

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Russia's TsKIB SOO (now a subsidiary of Tula's KBP) makes the MTs255 revolving shotgun, in gauges from 410 to 12; they also make a PISTOL version in 12 gauge, for riot control, as the OTs-62

Now thats what Im talking about! i think that is really cool

zippy13 · June 18, 2011, 11:06 PM

A revolver shotgun, like a revolver rifle/carbine, has gases from the cylinder gap that may interfere with the shooter's forward arm.

THplanes · June 18, 2011, 11:09 PM

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Yes I forgot to mention these, and they do work, But I was thinking a full size shotgun as apposed to a pistol. Why have we not seen a full size shotgun fed by a revolving cylinder?

Rossi circuit judge is not a pistol.

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=15

Of course it's only available in .410 and has a rifled barrel. I thought they were supposed to have a smooth bore version as well, but don't see it on the site. It also has a shield covering the cylinder gap so you don't get burned by hot gasses.

Edit: I just noticed a warning on the site saying the smooth bore is not available in the US.

EdInk · June 19, 2011, 03:19 PM

There are several that use drum magazines. A revolving cylinder is step backward in technology for quickly reloading a shotgun.

shortwave · June 20, 2011, 02:57 PM

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There are several that use drum magazines

Google Street Sweeper Assault Shotgun.

June 18, 2011, 08:29 AM	#1
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	Revolver shotgun? what do you think? Ok so not too long ago there was a thread about shotgun technology being dead and no new developments which made me think. Has there ever been a shotgun that was fed off of a revolving cylinder instead of a magazine tube? Just think those old long barrel shoulders stocked revolvers the cavalry used to use. Can anyone think of any pros or cons to such a design?

June 18, 2011, 08:43 AM	#2
stealintv Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2010 Location: south chi-town burbs Posts: 107	I know of one in current production... Check out the Rossi Circuit Judge. Never shot one, so I cannot say anything good or bad. It is a cool idea, and I would own one just "to have". I prefer a pump any way.... __________________ Concealed Carry in Illinois! The 50th state to recognize the Bill of Rights... www.illinoiscarry.com

June 18, 2011, 08:47 AM	#3
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	Judge Yes I forgot to mention these, and they do work, But I was thinking a full size shotgun as apposed to a pistol. Why have we not seen a full size shotgun fed by a revolving cylinder?

June 18, 2011, 10:38 AM	#10
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	Russia's TsKIB SOO (now a subsidiary of Tula's KBP) makes the MTs255 revolving shotgun, in gauges from 410 to 12; they also make a PISTOL version in 12 gauge, for riot control, as the OTs-62 http://www.tulatskib.ru/ohota_pdf/255.pdf http://www.tulatskib.ru/boevoe_pdf/OTs62.pdf __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936. Last edited by SDC; June 18, 2011 at 12:03 PM.

June 19, 2011, 03:19 PM	#16
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	There are several that use drum magazines. A revolving cylinder is step backward in technology for quickly reloading a shotgun. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

June 18, 2011, 08:49 AM	#4
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Ummm... Slower to re-load. Far more moving parts to possibly fail.Cost to build a high quality one? Weight? Reloading could be helped with a speed loader but can you imagine the size it would be? Brent

June 18, 2011, 08:56 AM	#5
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	well although I have never experienced one, I have talked to a lot of people who have had feeding/loading failures with tubes, specifically with higher capacity tubes and extension. This would pretty much eliminate this issue. Also, it would allow for much higher capacity with a shorter shotgun, without the need of a magazine.

June 18, 2011, 09:31 AM	#7
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	The notorious Street Sweeper was one such, now banned as a destructive device. A 12 gauge revolver with a clunky gritty action. Slow to reload, hard to shoot well, and now verboten to the proletariat. There have been others, ranging from Colt's 1855 versions to the Stryker,similar to the Street Sweeper above. Universally, the problem has been with the barrel/cylinder gap. Stuff comes out of there right on the forward arm. People have been burned.

June 18, 2011, 09:33 AM	#8
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	@mavracer very cool, never saaw one of these! if it was not 2 grand it would be an awesome addition to the collection

June 18, 2011, 09:36 AM	#9
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	@ dave, I thought the street sweeper was a circular magazine similer to the tommy gun as apposed to a revolving cylinder, but now that I see that is not the case I guess this thread is pretty much worthless!

June 18, 2011, 11:24 AM	#12
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	It's drum fed but 300 rounds per minute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCSVzOqqRHs

June 18, 2011, 11:06 PM	#14
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	A revolver shotgun, like a revolver rifle/carbine, has gases from the cylinder gap that may interfere with the shooter's forward arm.