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What a great plan.
I have to share this:
My sister in law (lives in L.A.)who is a rabid liberal, antigunner, earthy crunchy, you name it she has a better opinion on it. Ok, she recently visited for my daughter's birthday and of course, the topic of guns came up. Her new plan is to begin taking martial arts classes so if attacked by a gun toting hoodlum, she can immediately disarm him and shoot him with his gun. What a great plan! --Dave
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I took a self defense class (H2H) once. We practiced disarming guys with knives for part of the class. I asked about disarming assailants with handguns and he told me you're pretty much dead if you are unarmed and the attacker is bent on assaulting you unless he's given you a very unusually strong position. I'll keep toting a handgun, thank you very much.
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Is she an olympic level athlete? Is she 6' 8" tall and weight 200 pounds?
Is she as swift as a Gazelle? Can she jump tall buildings in one bound? Is she faster than a speeding bullet? Is she at least faster than a slow bullet? Oh well. Live and learn, right? Or maybe not live, ...
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I'll take her on. I'll use my gun, she can use her new-found martial arts skills. We'll see who's left standing.
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guy really hard in the general region that you don't normally discuss at cocktail parties and RUN Anything else is just silly. I don't care how much martial arts a lady takes. She's still a girl.
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I told her that Bruce Lee himself would have likely been shot between the headlights in such a situation. But you just can't tell somepeople anything. The bad part is she has kids and is poisoning them with her crap.
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You should inform her Bruce Lee's son died from a gunshot and it was only loaded with blanks .
How does she think she'll do against real bullets ? |
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A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but...
...She's at least acknowledging the need for self-defense. Once she develops a warrior mindset, she might come to the tactical decision to be armed.
Years ago, a young lady I knew told me about the martial arts training she had begun. Without meaning to cause offense, I told her many of the things expressed in this thread, which are, of course, true. I realize now that she had fragile self-esteem (like many of the posters here, it seems sometimes), and I should have been more supportive. I think you should encourage her. Once she starts to evaluate her risk, she might change some of her opinions. Saab, while I agree that as a general rule, women are physically weaker than men, I have known women who have subdued and arrested men bigger than them, without shooting them, and they were still just girls, as you say. Saying that a woman's only unarmed force option is to kick a guy in the nuts and run is pretty poor advice. Training is valuable, and usually the most important factor in determining the outcome of a fight. What about the recent case in Texas where the woman fought against her attacker, and, with her husband, ended up killing one and wounding the other. I bet if she had had even a little training, she could have done it herself. She was fighting for her family's lives. Keltyke, are you suggesting you'd shoot an unarmed woman...? Of course not, you're making a point, but any fight has many variables. Having a firearm is a tremendous advantage, but not insurmountable. Last edited by R1145; September 9, 2008 at 03:58 PM. Reason: Oh, you know, more blathering on... |
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I received Modern Army Combative training (hand-to-hand) prior to deploying Iraq. The very first statement they made in the class was, "No matter what, the winner of the fight will be the FIRST person to bring a gun to it."
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Well, I'll admit she is no weakling. She is in good shape. However, she lives in this bubble where she ignores the harsh reality of where she lives. For instance,a couple of years ago we visited for thanksgiving. This was her plan for a family thanksgiving in Los Angeles -- to drive over to East L.A. and find some homeless people and drive them to the Salvation Army for a nice thanksgiving meal. Of course that didn't happen.
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I'm a fan of both martial arts training and CCW.
Is martial arts training a replacement for having a concealed weapon? No. Can martial arts help me avoid the NEED to use deadly force when facing someone with (for instance) a baseball bat, tire iron, etc? It may. Plus, martial arts are fun! |
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I stopped dating a girl once because she had a yellow belt and was convinced that she was a bad-a$$. We were accosted by a couple of thugs on the street one night. The situation didn't look that dangerous and it looked like we could fast-talk our way out of it. Instead of getting off easy, she started antagonizing them and we damn near had to fight. I had to carry her bodily to the car.
Martial Arts may be good for developing self confidence, vigilance and situational awareness but I've also seen it contribute to a dangerous level of bravado and over confidence.
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Lots of posturing - having anyone take a modern combatives course is a good thing, tough guys. If you haven't taken one - you really don't know what you are talking about.
Some of you aren't contributing much to the discussion.
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That is called a character flaw.. I have seen a firearm produce the same results....And a badge for that matter |
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So Saab - in your expert opinion - martial arts or combative training categorically is a waste of time for a woman as they cannot beat any man?
Perhaps, you can't prevail over a mountain gorilla - that is a wonderful bit of scientific evidence to prove your point. So women should not learn escapes or strikes or anything H2H given your expertise? :barf:
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Sounds like she's coming around to pro gun, she'll just be using someone elses. It's a start...................
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She would be better off with pepper spray, soft body armor and a good pair of running shoes...Spray, hope any rounds fired either miss or impact on the body armor, and run like her life depends on it...BECAUSE IT WILL!!!
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Glenn, not everything we say is going to be profound. I've had my share of H2H combat training and I agree that it was valuable. I also know that some people let it go to their head. At least my instructor was wise enough to make sure that I had a reasonable level of humility to go along with any skills I may have learned.
The OP's sister will certainly be better off with training than not but it's folly to plan to take a gun away from an armed assailant. In all the training I got, that was considered a very high-risk, last resort. At least the training will be useful for unarmed combat and she might even start considering a less-than-lethal defensive weapon.
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Sensible people of whatever gender don't go around picking fights. The fact that most men are stronger than most women means that if she's assaulted, any woman with decent training is better off than one without. "Prevailing over a man" isn't the goal here. The goal is to defend yourself and get out of danger -- I think it's fairly well documented that a woman who resists a physical assault (by a rapist, for instance) is likely to come out of the situation better than one who doesn't... |
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hurts and run. I guess if you play enough Mortal Kombat, you may start to think that a petite woman can kick the @@@@ out of a 200 pound man Finish Him!!! But reality is that the best option, if unarmed, is to hit where it hurts and run. A better option is to be armed and know how to use the weapon. By the way, if you keep telling women they can stand toe to toe with a man and kick his buttocks, you'll eventually get a woman killed.
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