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December 4, 2017, 04:55 PM | #1 |
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Found in the West Texas Desert - No Headstamp
I thought I was good at google but I'm having a hard time nailing this down. Hoping an expert can help me identify what exactly it is.
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December 4, 2017, 05:03 PM | #2 |
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I can only lead you to the book, (Cartridges of the World). A lot of information
covering obsolete cartridges in that.
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December 4, 2017, 05:07 PM | #3 |
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Check this on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cartridges-...sAAOSwjW9ZlhPu
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December 4, 2017, 07:10 PM | #4 |
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44 Game Getter or 44 Colt Lightning.
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December 5, 2017, 10:40 AM | #5 |
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You need to give us the case head diameter, the rim diameter, and the case length.
It's too difficult to tell what those measurements are by trying to read your photographs of your micrometer dial.
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December 5, 2017, 12:17 PM | #6 |
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I just took a measurement of an empty case. What you have appears to be an old 50-70 govt. spent case.
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December 5, 2017, 02:22 PM | #7 |
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"...appears to be an old 50-70 Govt. spent case..." Might be 19th Century vintage too. U.S. Army from 1866 to 1873. Assorted natives, like Geronimo, after that.
http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd5070government.jpg Where in the West Texas Desert?
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Not .50-70, the head measurement is .470", almost .100" smaller than a .50-70 cartridge base size. Case length is 1.3", .050" shorter than the .50-70 Gov't. I still say 44 Game Getter or 44 Colt Lightning.
It is a balloon head cartridge case, so the period we are talking about is about right, late 19th Century. Quote:
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December 8, 2017, 01:32 AM | #9 | |
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He should have measured across the rim. The last picture shows the case to be 1.300" long and the 50-70 case is 1.750". |
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December 8, 2017, 10:34 PM | #10 |
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I think I'm getting a bit confused with all the measurements that are being given. Here are the measurements for the 45 Colt. If the length is 1.3, it is close to a 45 Colt. How doe the measurements of the actual using in question line up with the following? Remove hat this is a spent casing that has been fired in a chamber of unknown dimensions. I have some fired 45 Colt balloon casings but unfortunately, they are back in MI and I am in AZ so I don't have access to measure some of them.
45 Colt Case type Rimmed, straight Bullet diameter .454 in (11.5 mm) Neck diameter .480 in (12.2 mm) Base diameter .480 in (12.2 mm) Rim diameter .512 in (13.0 mm) Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm) Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm) Overall length 1.600 in (40.6 mm)
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Apparently the OP gave up on this because he has not responded in 5 days and it was his first post. Another drive by.
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AFVet hasn't been back since he posted the query.
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December 15, 2017, 10:35 AM | #14 |
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You want to fight Texas v. Canada?
Do it somewhere else.
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Diameter just in front of rim .470? Case length 1.3? Bottleneck case, no neck diameter
given. If the neck is in the .415-.420 range and the rim is .525ish--- 38 WCF (38-40) FWIW--that long taper from case body to neck and a relatively short straight neck section is typical of fired 38-40. The straight neck is much longer on loaded ammo. |
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I vote that it's a 44-40. If not, then it's a 38-40.
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January 10, 2018, 10:47 AM | #18 |
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Wanna bet?
Yes, tacitly, it was a .44-40, but it was decidedly identified as a separate cartridge. Same with the .38-40. Good discussion here of the CLMR cartridges. http://www.oldammo.com/august13.htm http://www.icollector.com/Box-of-Uni...fles_i10496430
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