Remington express&rust

JAMES L.SMITH · July 21, 2001, 05:45 PM

Do the express shotguns rust more[faster] than the blued ones? I'v bought 3 used ones in the last 2 years all had some rust on them,also i'v bought 4 other Rems.[blued] no rust on them.Is this normal on the express?

Dfariswheel · July 21, 2001, 05:51 PM

I'm not sure why your having problems. As far as I know, the Express uses a powder-coat finish. It should be pretty rust resistant. It could be that blued guns are factory coated with a lube, and powder coat possibly isn't, or maybe people just don't take care of "cheaper" Express guns.

dick w. holliday · July 21, 2001, 06:33 PM

i've had several and i agree that they do rust faster--i guess it's because that rough finish holds the moisture better than slick bluing....Dick

johnbt · July 21, 2001, 08:18 PM

OTOH, the rough metal finish on the Express will also hold oil, or Sheath, better and longer, too.

JT

Coronach · July 21, 2001, 10:02 PM

Well, the 870 that rides around in the trunk of our north cruisers (either me or the guy just north of me, we switch off) is an old wingmaster with some powdercoat on it. I'm not sure if it came this way or if it is an aftermarket thing...but I doubt it had any oil applied to it in its service life prior to it coming into my clutches. It has a nice dull-rust patina to it (

)...BUT, thats it. Nothing other than a surface coloration. The thing is ancient and has exhibited no ill effects.

YMMV

Mike

MP-5 · July 21, 2001, 10:21 PM

I believe the "express" rusts easier as well. (although the cheaper gun theory problably works too). I have had rust on my express barrel and tried to remove it in the traditional way you would remove rust on a blued gun. Fine steel wool and some WD-40 and the rust was gone....but so was my finish!

Not a very durable finish IMO.

Romulus · July 22, 2001, 03:36 AM

Well besides the bullcrap safety button, I don't really know what has changed in the last ten years of Express model making...My express (ca. 1991) is a heavily and un-aesthetically heavily bead blasted 870. The receiver was never machined fully flat and polished, all the forge-marks (if in fact it's a forged piece, it may be a cast receiver) are visible through the peening from the blast media. And, lo and behold, it was blued. Back then ( a mere ten years ago) folks would talk about the "cheap parkerized" Express, when in reality it was shot-blasted and BLUED. I saw one recently at Walmart, and I swear it is still to this day, bead blasted and hot-tank blued...no powder-coat finishes, no phosphate parking, jez plain ole bluin over a crappy rough finish.

I could be wrong, gentelmens...

Dave McC · July 22, 2001, 07:21 AM

As I understand it. all the Expresses are blued over that rough, unpolished surface.Phosphate finishes like parkerizing give a green/gray tinge and also tend to be a little smoother to the touch. Bluing is a controlled form of oxidation, and if the agents are not neutralized after the bath, some rust could occur.

Note, those rough surfaces hold oil longer,IF we oil them.....

July 21, 2001, 05:45 PM	#1
JAMES L.SMITH Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 1999 Location: Lakeland Fl.U.S.A. Posts: 173	Remington express&rust Do the express shotguns rust more[faster] than the blued ones? I'v bought 3 used ones in the last 2 years all had some rust on them,also i'v bought 4 other Rems.[blued] no rust on them.Is this normal on the express? __________________ MONTANI SEMPER LIBERI

July 21, 2001, 10:02 PM	#5
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Well, the 870 that rides around in the trunk of our north cruisers (either me or the guy just north of me, we switch off) is an old wingmaster with some powdercoat on it. I'm not sure if it came this way or if it is an aftermarket thing...but I doubt it had any oil applied to it in its service life prior to it coming into my clutches. It has a nice dull-rust patina to it ()...BUT, thats it. Nothing other than a surface coloration. The thing is ancient and has exhibited no ill effects. YMMV Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

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July 21, 2001, 05:51 PM	#2
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	I'm not sure why your having problems. As far as I know, the Express uses a powder-coat finish. It should be pretty rust resistant. It could be that blued guns are factory coated with a lube, and powder coat possibly isn't, or maybe people just don't take care of "cheaper" Express guns.

July 21, 2001, 06:33 PM	#3
dick w. holliday Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2001 Location: NC Posts: 589	i've had several and i agree that they do rust faster--i guess it's because that rough finish holds the moisture better than slick bluing....Dick

July 21, 2001, 08:18 PM	#4
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	OTOH, the rough metal finish on the Express will also hold oil, or Sheath, better and longer, too. JT

July 21, 2001, 10:21 PM	#6
MP-5 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2000 Posts: 208	I believe the "express" rusts easier as well. (although the cheaper gun theory problably works too). I have had rust on my express barrel and tried to remove it in the traditional way you would remove rust on a blued gun. Fine steel wool and some WD-40 and the rust was gone....but so was my finish! Not a very durable finish IMO.

July 22, 2001, 03:36 AM	#7
Romulus Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2001 Location: Kettle Moraine country Posts: 897	Well besides the bullcrap safety button, I don't really know what has changed in the last ten years of Express model making...My express (ca. 1991) is a heavily and un-aesthetically heavily bead blasted 870. The receiver was never machined fully flat and polished, all the forge-marks (if in fact it's a forged piece, it may be a cast receiver) are visible through the peening from the blast media. And, lo and behold, it was blued. Back then ( a mere ten years ago) folks would talk about the "cheap parkerized" Express, when in reality it was shot-blasted and BLUED. I saw one recently at Walmart, and I swear it is still to this day, bead blasted and hot-tank blued...no powder-coat finishes, no phosphate parking, jez plain ole bluin over a crappy rough finish. I could be wrong, gentelmens...

July 22, 2001, 07:21 AM	#8
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	As I understand it. all the Expresses are blued over that rough, unpolished surface.Phosphate finishes like parkerizing give a green/gray tinge and also tend to be a little smoother to the touch. Bluing is a controlled form of oxidation, and if the agents are not neutralized after the bath, some rust could occur. Note, those rough surfaces hold oil longer,IF we oil them.....