Atlantic Monthly-The Case for More Guns (And More Gun Control) December 2012

Chuck Dye · December 6, 2012, 01:28 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...ontrol/309161/

Jeffrey Goldberg is preaching to both choirs in what is a more balanced article than I expected when I began reading, 'though I sure would like to read the foot noted journal version. Some of the usual suspects have been rounded up and, as usual, the pros have data, the antis have demagoguery.

Altogether it is a worthwhile use of time.

BarryLee · December 6, 2012, 02:19 AM

An interesting read overall it seems like more good than bad. It did bother when he stated there were no legitimate civilian uses for high capacity magazines. I guess he’s never had to pay for range time while repeatedly reloading ten round magazines.

Dr Big Bird PhD · December 6, 2012, 03:37 AM

Interesting read. I feel like the author is compromising a few of his basic values in order to appeal to the greater audience and bring more people over to the idea of an armed public. I agree with his general thought pattern, but dislike many of the negative examples and fear-mongering he portrayed. If you only read the first page and a half you'd think he just wanted more gun control.

DaleA · December 6, 2012, 07:08 AM

Yeah, I'll join the group and say it was more balanced than I thought it would be.

The video with Joh Rauch of 'Pink Pistols' was worth watching too.

I think the guy is basically saying in a lot of words a concept that should start every debate about guns.

To the anti-gun folk, you are granted the point that with no guns there would be no 'gun violence'.
To the pro-gun folk, you are granted the point that there is no way to get rid of guns.

In my mind's eye I see at every gun/anti-gun debate the gun folk would grudgingly admit the the first point and the anti-gun folk would hear the second point and go 'but...but...but' and then become very confused and huddle up amongst themselves and try to refute the point and come up with ways to do it that would be very similar to a law repealing the law of gravity or a law making pi (3.14...) just 3. (Wouldn't that make so many calculations so much easier?)

DaleA · December 6, 2012, 07:35 AM

BarryLee - I agree, one point in the article deserves special mention:

Quote:

Drum-style magazines like the kind James Holmes had that night in Aurora, which can hold up to 100 rounds of ammunition and which make continuous firing easy, have no reasonable civilian purpose, and their sale could be restricted without violating the Second Amendment rights of individual gun owners.

Um... No.

mitchntx · December 7, 2012, 06:46 AM

From my experience ...

100 round drums are self policing. They suck.

Haven't used one yet in an AK or on my Thompson that didn't encounter a feed problem.

BarryLee · December 7, 2012, 09:51 AM

Quote:

100 round drums are self policing. They suck.

While I may not necessarily disagree I still feel you should have the freedom to make that decision and not some misinformed bureaucrat acting out of emotion and not logic.

December 6, 2012, 01:28 AM	#1
Chuck Dye Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2002 Location: Oregon-The wet side. Posts: 949	Atlantic Monthly-The Case for More Guns (And More Gun Control) December 2012 http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...ontrol/309161/ Jeffrey Goldberg is preaching to both choirs in what is a more balanced article than I expected when I began reading, 'though I sure would like to read the foot noted journal version. Some of the usual suspects have been rounded up and, as usual, the pros have data, the antis have demagoguery. Altogether it is a worthwhile use of time. __________________ Gee, I'd love to see your data!

December 6, 2012, 02:19 AM	#2
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	An interesting read overall it seems like more good than bad. It did bother when he stated there were no legitimate civilian uses for high capacity magazines. I guess he’s never had to pay for range time while repeatedly reloading ten round magazines. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

December 6, 2012, 03:37 AM	#3
Dr Big Bird PhD Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 779	Interesting read. I feel like the author is compromising a few of his basic values in order to appeal to the greater audience and bring more people over to the idea of an armed public. I agree with his general thought pattern, but dislike many of the negative examples and fear-mongering he portrayed. If you only read the first page and a half you'd think he just wanted more gun control. __________________ I told the new me, "Meet me at the bus station and hold a sign that reads: 'Today is the first day of the rest of your life.'" But the old me met me with a sign that read: "Welcome back." Who you are is not a function of where you are. -Off Minor

December 6, 2012, 07:08 AM	#4
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,313	Yeah, I'll join the group and say it was more balanced than I thought it would be. The video with Joh Rauch of 'Pink Pistols' was worth watching too. I think the guy is basically saying in a lot of words a concept that should start every debate about guns. To the anti-gun folk, you are granted the point that with no guns there would be no 'gun violence'. To the pro-gun folk, you are granted the point that there is no way to get rid of guns. In my mind's eye I see at every gun/anti-gun debate the gun folk would grudgingly admit the the first point and the anti-gun folk would hear the second point and go 'but...but...but' and then become very confused and huddle up amongst themselves and try to refute the point and come up with ways to do it that would be very similar to a law repealing the law of gravity or a law making pi (3.14...) just 3. (Wouldn't that make so many calculations so much easier?)

December 7, 2012, 06:46 AM	#6
mitchntx Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 358	From my experience ... 100 round drums are self policing. They suck. Haven't used one yet in an AK or on my Thompson that didn't encounter a feed problem.