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June 23, 2019, 09:56 PM | #101 |
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I don’t mind paying a seven figure salary if I’m getting seven figure salary results. For that matter, Wayne can buy a yacht and a house on Lake Como if he delivers. However, if the NRA has been delivering those kind of results, they’ve done a poor job of communicating it to their members.
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You have to wonder if the NRA pays any attention to opinions on online gun forums. Does anyone remember ever getting any sort of survey from the NRA asking for opinions of the job they are doing? Does the NRA even have a "customer service" email or phone number where opinions can be submitted?
I again am stating we need to explore "clawing back" our forward paid dues. The NRA will be forced to listen to members if their income is hurt. |
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Comments on gun forums and social media don't really have an effect on anything.
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Demand some basics-Audit and Accountability
Demand some basics-Audit and Accountability: The problem with the NRA has been generally named. It's time for some specific answers. Anytime you have that much money involved with no accountability sharks will swarm. Time to put in some sound conservative management in place. Start with audit and accountability. I would not be surprised some of the high flyers caught some legal charges.
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Some of the higher folk in the ILA are quite aware of the Internet. Cox is now an enemy.
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June 25, 2019, 05:40 PM | #110 | |
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I don't have a problem with an effective NRA head making a million or two a year in DC if they are both effective at communicating and fundraising and can lead an effective strategy. I don't know how much fundraising LaPierre can take credit for but I don't consider him effective at communicating beyond part of the base and consider him a negative outside of the base. I would say that in the big picture that unless an internal group arises that will address this crisis the NRA is in big trouble simply due to the fact that it has extremely powerful and profoundly more monied enemies in the gun control lobby.. There is an extreme danger of a protracted and fatal civil war. If you notice many of the NRA critics here -- and on gun forums we have a self selected unrepresentative group -- think the NRA is not firm enough, whereas that may not at all be the case among contributors or rank and file members, or gun owners. NRA did not take its position on bump stock or especially on red flag out of an organic tendency to compromise, but rather because these were extremely high momentum and massively popular legislative efforts, where reducing the effect, and NRA did achieve reduced effect, were reasonable tactics and goals. |
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Why do I belong to the NRA? Not for their magazines, not to go to their shows, etc., not to wear their hat or patches.
Why? To represent my opinion of absolute protection of the Second Amendment as written by the founding fathers of this nation. |
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Aguila Blanca - it's not unusual for a non-profit to pay big bucks to top people. It's not right, but it happens all the time. San Franciscograd spends $300 million on homeless and much of it goes to various groups that support the homeless. I wouldn't be surprised if the top executives collect the vast majority of the money given to them by the city.
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Well, they're shutting down NRATV. I guess its 17 viewers will have to go elsewhere for Dana Loesch's litany of culture-war rantings.
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And, this afternoon, Chris Cox officially resigned. No word on his replacement yet.
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The following message from Wayne LaPierre to NRA instructors (of which I am one) arrived in my inbox today. He makes some right-sounding noises, but I don't get any real sense that the words mean anything:
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I'd have to agree with you. 5 paragraphs and the only mention of anything towards preserving the 2A, was in their twice mentioned, "mission statement".
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My problem with LaPierre's message is that he tries to lay ALL the blame for profligate spending on Ackerman-McQueen. If he wanted to set an example for becoming more cost efficient and requiring that all parties maximize their value to the association ... he should lead by example and announce that he is reducing his salary by 50 percent, and that from here on he'll pay for his own suits and shoes.
Besides, the "core mission" of the NRA isn't protecting the Second Amendment. The NRA is, I believe, a 501(c)(3) organization. That means "not-for-profit, educational." The core mission of the NRA is education -- firearms safety education, and marksmanship education. |
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It isn't Kiwanis or Lions club, or Sons of Italy. Nor is it like major membership based professional organizations. It is locked up in policy and advocacy fights of extremely high magnitude, public attention and impact -- with hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars spent by itself, its allies and its opponents every cycle. I am not concerned at all with the top executive at such an organization, based in one of the most expensive areas of the country, getting reasonable compensation of one to 1.5 million. Nor is it per se a problem to use of outside vendors for specialized work. What happened at NRA was a lack of transparency, a severe conflict of interest, and a corrupting factor of the purchase of services, with the service provider vendor then kicking back perks and tangible benefit to the person in charge of negotiating the contracts. That is unethical and may well be illegal activity. That this happened over quite a few years and that normal audit process, board or other officers with fiduciary responsibility did not catch it and we only saw it after a board fight, where the vendor may have turned from inducements to threats, also means NRA audit practices failed at the macro level. Quote:
My brother-in-law is down in Florida and he actually testified in Tallahassee where that bill absolutely did undergo significant changes in committee that would not have been inserted had the NRA and local groups not pushed strongly. Again the NRA does have a severe problem. A severe set of problems. They are actually common to associations with the advent a few decades ago of outside specialized task vendors, especially management companies, that can create unethical practices; with board members supporting one management company -- and the management company getting enough power to actually influence the internal board politics and insure its friends stay on the board. yes, it can make sense to get rid of your magazine and newsletter guy or department, and replace it with an outside company that specializes in production, distribution and advertising sales in that. But at a certain point, if you also have them handle content and editorial, that outside company may be tweeking editorial policy in your newsletter to support he people on the board who are controlling/overseeing those contracts. In NRA's case it is possible that an entire constellation of feedback loop problems occurred: a) give lobbying, legal, some internal communications (one of the magazines) and NRATV to a very powerful vendor; b) give so much money that the vendor could possibly create what may be a slush fund of its own accord, or have some in the NRA force them to create a slush fund; c) have the vendor then use the publications to advance its board or management allies and or distribute tangible perks to the same; d) have woefully inadequate auditing or board attention. On the positive side, this road has been hoed in a lot of organizations (albeit with much less public attention) before, it is not that uncommon, and there are solutions. My recommendation: 1) Find a way in the bylaws to force either an emergency meeting of membership with a board revote creating a new board with no connection to this 2) board should be smaller and include mostly/only people who have served on actual boards, where you have to attend, vote, demonstrate some concern and expertise over fiduciary aspects. 3) toss LaPierre, Cox, 4) certainty not replace them with North, who was with Ack-Mac himself 5) severe ties with Ack-Mac I think at the least we will see LaPiere go. he has to go. Otherwise we are going to be run over by a freight train. We will need a semi-outside sourced"gray hair" guy with no connection to any of the cast of characters. But there is also an obvious problem with this huge packed board. I got people on the 120 unit condo board I head with way more experience and attentiveness. NRA can always create an honorary do-nothing second board if it wants to reward/recognize people. |
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