The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > Law and Civil Rights

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 31, 2012, 08:24 AM   #1
NJgunowner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,254
Internet Ammo Ban Proposed

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), are proposing a new law to ban internet ammo a sales.

The gist of it is the bill would prohibit ammunition sales from anyone but licensed firearms dealers and require ammunition buyers to present photo IDs before each purchase, in person, effectively ending the practice of online sales. The proposal would also require dealers to report bulk ammunition purchases of more than 1,000 rounds within 5 business days.

Sounds like it's time to start the write in's. They expect a vote next week, and in the words of the two senators, they believe it has a good chance of passing.

This isn't a sky is falling thread, I don't believe it stands a snowballs chance in... well the midwest this summer of passing. But it's a good time to remind the politicians who's really in charge and find out how much they value their careers.
NJgunowner is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 08:27 AM   #2
Motownstan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 20, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 226
ZERO chance of that passing
__________________
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
- Napoleon
Motownstan is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 08:52 AM   #3
Patriot86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 23, 2010
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 1,293
This is just a political ploy so that a certain president and a certain party who have a big election in the fall can stand up and scream about how a certain other party "Is allowing ammunition and dangerous weapons into the hands of the mentally unstable and criminals". It has zero chance in the house.

The worst part is this would do basically nothing to stop any kind of future violence by mentally ill or unstable individuals. It wouldn't have stopped Columbine, The Gabby Giffords shooting, NIU, VA Tech or the Aurora Colorado shootings. At best it would have made the last one a little less convenient for the shooter and perhaps a little more expensive.
Patriot86 is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 09:04 AM   #4
okiefarmer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 20, 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 381
But he had 5900 rounds left over, so effectively, the bulk purchase is a moot point. I really don't see the difference in what we do now compared to what we did before Al invented the innerweb. We got out the magazine, located the "deal" we wanted on ammo, either called it in or mailed it in, and waited by the mailbox. The innerwb has just made finding the 'great' deals a whole lot easier. Mail order sales has always been a faceless transaction, other than the copy of the DL we usually sent in to assure we were of age. The bill is a feelgood piece of crap, and will accomplish nothing more than driving up prices of ammo with more scare hype.
okiefarmer is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 09:31 AM   #5
NJgunowner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,254
It is pretty funny. I wouldn't want to lug 500 rounds around, let alone 6000! The guys clearly have no idea what that amount of ammo weighs.
NJgunowner is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 09:37 AM   #6
Woody55
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 19, 2012
Location: East Texas
Posts: 407
Even the White House has been cool to this bill.
Woody55 is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 09:40 AM   #7
NJgunowner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,254
If they could sneak it through congress I'd bet the White House would warm up to it really fast.
NJgunowner is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 09:59 AM   #8
Tom Servo
Staff
 
Join Date: September 27, 2008
Location: Foothills of the Appalachians
Posts: 13,057
Quote:
Even the White House has been cool to this bill.
If by "cool," you mean, "no way in heck are we touching that with someone else's ten-foot pole," you're right.

That said, let's keep discussion to the bill itself, and not the unfortunate events that supposedly inspired it.
__________________
Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change.
--Randall Munroe
Tom Servo is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 10:16 AM   #9
Spats McGee
Staff
 
Join Date: July 28, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8,819
Get active

While I don't really think any of these recent gun-control measures has much of a chance of passage, I would suggest that now is the time to get active. Write to your senators and representatives. Remind them that this ploy needs to fail. If you don't know who your people are, go look here:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Also, here's what I sent in. You may all feel free to copy, paste, plagiarize and edit as you see fit:
--------------------------------------------
Dear ______,
By way of introduction, my name is ______, and I am an attorney in _____, Arkansas. In fact, I am many things: husband, father, attorney, hunter, and gun owner, just to name a few. I have been following legal developments in Washington for quite some time, and, in particular, those events that might impact my rights under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and its counterpart under the Arkansas Constitution.

I have recently read that several disturbing bills and amendments have been offered in the wake of the Aurora, Colorado, shooting, including: (1) an amendment to a Cybersecurity bill which would affect possession or transfer of magazines with a capacity greater than ten rounds; and (2) a bill which would effectively ban internet ammunition sales by requiring presentation of photo identification and record-keeping on ammunition sales. While I certainly grieve for the families that lost loved ones in Aurora, Colorado, and in the other mass shootings that have occurred, I urge you to oppose bills such as those listed with all of the resources at your disposal. The problem with mass shooters is typically a mental health issue more than anything. I liken bills such as the ones I listed to a bill that would make it more difficult for sober drivers to purchase cars, on the theory that some other person might drive while intoxicated. Neither violent criminals nor the mentally ill can reasonably be expected to obey any such law. Only law-abiding citizens will be adversely affected. I believe the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports on cities such as New York, Chicago, and Washington D.C., which have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country, will bear out my assertion that gun control laws do not decrease violent crime, but only disarm potential victims.

Thank you for your time and attention in this.

Cordially,
INSERT YOUR NAME HERE
__________________
I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

Last edited by Spats McGee; July 31, 2012 at 10:22 AM.
Spats McGee is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 10:35 AM   #10
Tom Servo
Staff
 
Join Date: September 27, 2008
Location: Foothills of the Appalachians
Posts: 13,057
Spats, that's very nicely done. It's clear, and more important, it's concise and focused. Legislators rarely read their mail; that's done by secretaries, and they are already overburdened.

I've sat in a state senator's office and read his mail. Letters like that stand out and get noticed.
__________________
Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change.
--Randall Munroe
Tom Servo is offline  
Old July 31, 2012, 12:08 PM   #11
Spats McGee
Staff
 
Join Date: July 28, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8,819
Thanks, Tom.
__________________
I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.
Spats McGee is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 08:49 AM   #12
Horny Toad
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 9, 2000
Location: NJ
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Motownstan
ZERO chance of that passing
Zero chance on a national level (at the moment), but I believe it's likely that NJ will enact an online ammo purchase ban. If such a bill were to make it to the Governor's desk, he would jump on it.
__________________
NRA Life Member

We Don't Need No Steenking 2nd Amendment


Last edited by Tom Servo; August 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM. Reason: Funny, but inappropriate
Horny Toad is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 11:22 AM   #13
HarrySchell
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 30, 2007
Location: South CA
Posts: 566
The CA Legislature passed a ban like this and Arnie signed it. It was so vague that it was overturned in court. The sponsor has been working on a revised bill.

I suspect it will surface sometime soon. With the mess we are in, these clowns need to appear to be "doing something".
__________________
Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will.
— Mark Twain
HarrySchell is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 11:58 AM   #14
Gary L. Griffiths
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 7, 2000
Location: AZ, WA
Posts: 1,466
Quote:
I believe it's likely that NJ will enact an online ammo purchase ban.
Kind of a moot point, isn't it? IIRC most if not all on-line ammo suppliers won't ship to NJ, CA, NY, or MA.
__________________
Violence is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and valorous feeling which believes that nothing is worth violence is much worse. Those who have nothing for which they are willing to fight; nothing they care about more than their own craven apathy; are miserable creatures who have no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the valor of those better than themselves. Gary L. Griffiths (Paraphrasing John Stuart Mill)
Gary L. Griffiths is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 12:01 PM   #15
Horny Toad
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 9, 2000
Location: NJ
Posts: 191
Incorrect (as far as NJ is concerned). I haven't stepped foot inside a gun shop to purchase ammo in 20 years. Online purchases exclusively.
__________________
NRA Life Member

We Don't Need No Steenking 2nd Amendment

Horny Toad is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 12:26 PM   #16
NJgunowner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,254
Same here, I buy from CTD and a couple of others all the time. What LGS's charge for ammo in this state should be a crime in itself.
NJgunowner is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 02:52 PM   #17
rebs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 10, 2012
Posts: 3,881
Jeez why don't these politicians work on solving unemployment and economy problems ? They act as if they have nothing better to do than hassle law abiding citizens.
rebs is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 03:11 PM   #18
FrankenMauser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Location: In the valley above the plain
Posts: 13,400
Think this bill was meant to fail, even by its writers. But, I believe they intended it to serve a few purposes:
1. Make it appear as if they're are "doing something" to fight back against the 'evil'.
2. Try to get some more support, while the bill is whittled down to only a few items from the initial list of restrictions/bans.
3. Test the waters to see the public's reaction, in preparation for a potential push for gun control legislation if BHO were to be re-elected.


No matter what, even some Democrats that would normally support a bill like this seem to consider this one's timing as exceptionally poor.
__________________
Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.
FrankenMauser is offline  
Old August 1, 2012, 09:30 PM   #19
spanishjames
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 27, 2010
Posts: 553
Quote:
Even the White House has been cool to this bill.
Quote:
ZERO chance of that passing
That's only because the election is three months away. In a year, if the same politicians are in power, there could be a bigger push and suppert for further restrictions.
__________________
Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable."
-Sydney J. Harris
spanishjames is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.08859 seconds with 10 queries