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November 28, 2019, 11:00 AM | #126 | |
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One gun in my carry rotation is a single stack XDE 9mm, which holds 8+1 or 9+1 with the extended mag that reduces concealability. I carry an additional mag in tactical pants. Bare minimum, I have an ultralight Smith 637 that holds 5, my better-than-none gun when warranted. That is the gun I always have in the go bag but can be IWB or pocket carried. I mean, what do you carry when you walk the dog in your pajamas? That could be that little 38 or a P40 in a shoulder rig.
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November 28, 2019, 11:01 AM | #127 |
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Big mean animal?
Big mean animal? :What sort of monstrous animal are we speaking?
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November 28, 2019, 11:12 AM | #128 |
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Hi-cap semiautos may be fired spray-and-pray, while a revolver can be much more deliberate and ammo-efficient, with all due respect to those especially proficient with a semi-auto. In a way, that tends toward evening the score between the revolver and the semiauto in terms of round count capability.
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November 28, 2019, 11:37 AM | #129 | |
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But--if an attacker is closing at five meters per second at close range, and the small critical body parts are internal, invisible, moving , and will be struck only as a matter of probability and the number of rounds that enter the body, how could a revolver shooter be more "deliberate" and end up standing? |
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November 28, 2019, 11:59 AM | #130 |
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My concealed carry revolver is a .357 magnum w/ 4" barrel loaded with hollow point deer hunting rounds.
I'm not that good with a pistol, but I figure if I can get one decent hit, it's gonna cause some trouble for that which I wish to stop. If there's more than one attacker, I might need to be a little careful on shooting, but one attacker should be taken care of with 6 shots. If I need more than that, maybe I stink or maybe I needed more than a pistol for the heinous gunfight I apparently got myself into. My other concealed carry is a 15 shot .380 loaded with traditional round nose FMJ bullets. A well placed hit or multiple decently placed hits should get the job done for one attacker. In the event of more than one attacker or if I need to suppress, I have excess ammo to get the job done. |
November 28, 2019, 12:15 PM | #131 | |
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November 28, 2019, 06:25 PM | #133 | |
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The XDE is hardly a fantastic trigger but it's not bad and I appreciate having that extra pressure between me and the first shot. I've been shooting DA/SA semi auto for years, Beretta 92 and CZ P-07. I always shoot more in DA than SA. that may be why when I picked up my first J frame revolver only a few weeks ago, I was able to be fairly accurate with it out to 10 yards without very much practice. If anything, the trigger is actually smoother than those on most of the semi-autos. |
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Yep, the Glock and and extra mag is nicer to carry than the 6 gun and speed loaders. The only time I carry the J frame is as a BUG also known as a 2nd gun. To be honest this whole subject seems like a recipe for banning standard capacity mags.
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November 28, 2019, 07:46 PM | #137 |
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I made the comment in one forum that my G23 was no wider nor longer than the revolver in question. The reply was the Glock is boxy forward of the trigger guard. How can you argue with observations like that.
Some people do not need guns. A guy showed me a high condition Colt Pocket Positive in 32 S&W. I asked him if it were a family piece. No, he replied explaining a citizen had attempted to rob him. When asked, he continued that he punched him,the robber, out and took the revolver. What happened to the gunman? Last seen, he was crawling on his hands and knees trying to get away. I'm thinking that punch may have been minimized. Point of the story is not to wave a gun at somebody as a threat even if it's a J frame Smith. I'm not a Glock fanboy but do find the guns very satisfactory for what they were made. That is a combat firearm. I was reading the latest edition of gun rag testing. For real, the number of Glock knockoff is unbelievable.
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I have carried a single action revolver, daily, for over 15 years. Started carrying daily after I had one too many knives pulled on me. Had to pull a gun out five times after that but never had to shoot anyone. Made a dog change his mind once when every shot put dirt in his face..(it was a young girls dog and I am glad I didn't have to kill it)....he stopped on his last chance, killed several rattlesnakes in the yard. Even had a neighbor even yell at me once if I had my gun on me to come shoot a snake...I did. Hope to never have to even point one at a human, but if I do, it's the gun I know how to use.
The first handgun I ever noticed shooting more than 6 rounds was while watching Lethal Weapon (1987). After that I wanted a Beretta 92F - 9x19mm, but always wanted a 1911 but never owned either. My wife owns several semi-autos and I do carry one on occasions, but my main weapon is my brain. There is no sense in cops being outgunned, even the playing field....carry enough for the fight but I use what I want...mainly because I don't go looking for one. If you ever see an old man carrying a well worn single action army, I suggest you leave him alone! He knows how to use more than just the gun.
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Capacity is for missing a lot, OR hitting a lot of enemies. NOT for covering fire if you are not in open war. If you miss a lot you will probably be in a lot of trouble because every bullet you fire WILL hit...........something. Things other then your enemy or your own property will be a legal lever for a cop to arrest you and your government to prosecute you.
Maybe revolver shooters are a bit old-fashioned and maybe being old means many can shoot well because of a lot of years in doing it. Just something to consider. Not a premise based on a mountain of documented info, but speaking only for myself, I do not feel a bit under-armed when I am carrying my revolver. I carry them a lot. More times I am carrying an auto, but if I were to guess, I'd say about 40% of the time I have a revolver. It's not uncommon for me to kill running animals with my revolvers from jack rabbits, coyotes, foxes and skunks, and quite a few deer, antelope and elk. All counted I would say about 30 head of big game. I shoot revolvers very well, and on bigger target (deer size) I have not missed a shot yet. Of those I have killed about 1/2 were killed on the run. The gun you carry is only as good as the skill with which you use it. Most of my autos have good sized mags. But when I fire I think of every round as if it';s the only one I'll get. |
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And just when "isnt" someone shooting at you from 25 yards not a threat? You really do have to wonder where some people's heads are sometimes? Truthfully, I think many dont really practice much beyond the basics a whole lot, and getting 3 good hits from the holster at 3 yards in 3 seconds while moving offline (you werent planning on standing still? Were you?), might be a challenge. Especially if theyve never done it before. And thats just what you're told you'll ever need, according to the statistics. 25 yards with what a lot of people seem to carry these days, probably does sound like an improbability, if not an impossibility. Laughing at statistics. Murphys favorite bedtime horror stories. |
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The reason that many people stay at 7 yards is that you can cover their groups at twenty-five yards with an average screen door.
Added: What if the bad guy is armed at 25 yards with an 870 12ga. with deer barrel with open sights? How about a Mini-14 at that range?
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Yes .22 were used pretty extensively in slaughter houses where animals were to be bled. .22 would render an Animal unconscious then it’s throat would be swiftly cut to allow the heart to pump out as much blood as possible. The .22 was good for this purpose but not so good for cleanly killing an animal. Today the .22 has been largely replaced in slaughter houses with electric shock and the pneumatic hammer. |
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They problem is not the guns or how many rounds they hold. It's the mindset they create among those with little or no training. People whose only frame of reference is Die Hard or Call of Duty. Plus, they're fun! No on can deny that it's fun to shoot a 9mm pistol that holds 20 rounds. Then what happens at the range, happens in a violent confrontation. Magazines get dumped, accuracy goes out the window. When you only have five or six rounds you must be more deliberate.
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Seems argumentative, more quibbles than compelling points. More important is what a person is willing to carry. I think a miniature semiauto is a disaster about to happen. I recall doing a bug gun stage once, instructed to fire 5 rounds as fast as possible. Having never practiced that, not getting a single hit at 10 feet with a PM40 was an eye opener for a number of reasons.
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I understand that there has to be a mindset of situational awareness. Particularly important when it comes to being a concealed carrying citizen. However this all applies to whether one has a revolver or a semiautomatic.
Revolver carriers tend to be older, in my experience, amongst friends (45 and up). Whatever someone chooses, it’s up to them to be prepared, trained and deal with whatever limitations that they have chosen. I don’t think anyone should choose a system based upon what someone has posted on the internet. They should choose based upon where they live, what physical abilities or limitations they have, what they can afford financially to buy and train with, and what knowledge that they have. Those who lack knowledge, training, proficiency, or money need to determine what they can work upon. For me, I don’t care what people think about how I do it because in the end, I’m the one who will live or die by those consequences. However I’m very confident enough to understand what I can and cannot do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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In his book "When violence is the answer" by Tim Larkin he shows an illustration of one person choking out another. He says he will ask his students what they would do in the situation. He gets a lot of answers as to how to combat a two handed choke. He goes on to write that after hearing the answers from around the room, some of which get rather inventive, he explains he would continue choking out the other individual which will normally result in their hands going up to your arms, and then step into it and use his legs and knees against an open midsection until he carried the choke onto the ground where it is more practical to crush important pieces in the throat.
Oh? You assumed you were the person being choked? Ehh... that is a problem. Conversely he notes that when he shows the same picture to violent criminal offenders or others where violence is part of the job most of the time the individuals identify with the person doing the choking and seldom see themselves as the victim. Why is this important? Before I answer that let me be clear. Staying calm enough to be able to think things through, see as much of the situation as possible, and work your way through the issues are valid skills. BUT - your aggressor will already be in action. He or she will have already deliberated and made the decision that violence is the answer and, considering your use of deadly force, is using enough violence or the threat of enough violence to cause severe bodily harm. This is probably not your aggressors first use of violence. Successful defense against anti-social violence (violence that requires a violent answer and cannot be answered through social means) almost always requires quick, decisive, and violent reaction that is able to overcome the action vs reaction problem present in any defensive situation. There is a very small amount of time for consideration of what action is appropriate. |
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With a BUG? That's tough. It is what led me to retire the snubbie for primary carry and carry a larger firearm with a better trigger. |
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