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February 25, 2018, 06:13 PM | #26 | |
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Whatever statistics you find, be sure to read the fine print. Some statistics include people up to age 25 as "children." Also, "homicide" does not equate to "murder." A gang banger killed by a police officer in a completely justified shooting is still a "homicide." Anti-gun types like to include ALL deaths by firearms in their counts, even though many are not what the country needs to be worrying about. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...2016/cius-2016 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s.../violent-crime 20-year chart: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-1 Last edited by Aguila Blanca; February 25, 2018 at 06:23 PM. |
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February 28, 2018, 04:00 PM | #27 |
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Count Trump in that bucket too....he just bragged about "not needing the NRA" so it looks like we put our money on the wrong horse.
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February 28, 2018, 04:03 PM | #28 | |
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Having said that Trump is not draining the swamp. Washington is filled with lobbyists and trump has a number of them working on his team. |
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February 28, 2018, 05:38 PM | #29 | |
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Not in a million freaking years!!!! NO, Trump isn't our friend, never was. He'll throw our interests under the bus if he thinks its the right thing to do. Never was any doubt in my mind about that. On the other hand, the other choice was immeasurably WORSE!!! With Trump, we got someone who might only give our interests lip service, and might "betray" us on this or that, but he has not (so far) shown to be someone who is actively working against our interests. You cannot say that about Hillary, gun control is part of her party's planks now. There was no "right horse", and there hasn't been for some time. I'd rather waste my "money" on a horse that won't run than on one who is determined to kick me to death.
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February 28, 2018, 09:43 PM | #33 |
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We don't need to redo the failings of both candidates. We only have the failings of one to deal with now.
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March 1, 2018, 07:32 AM | #34 |
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What we need to do now is help President Trump find his spine again.
It takes 5 minutes or less to contact the President. I urge everyone to do it -- multiple times. As they say in Chicago, "Vote early and vote often." The Pres doesn't read all these messages, but the staff count them. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ |
March 1, 2018, 07:41 AM | #35 |
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The POTUS's recent comments are a bit concerning. Anyone else a bit nervous by the "take the guns first and worry about due process later" comment he repeated a few times yesterday? I mean really? WTH
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March 1, 2018, 08:07 AM | #36 | |
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“Drain the swamp” can mean vastly different things to different people, which is why it makes such a handy political slogan. It concerns me that you think constituents organizing to lobby their Congressmen is a problem or that it needs to be fixed. |
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March 1, 2018, 08:14 AM | #37 |
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Its relatively easy to advance fundamentally flawed legislation or legislation that would have effects you do not want if you know it has no chance of going forward or passing. When you know its not going to make it to general discussion or have any chance of actually reaching negotiation its very easy to take a "no compromise" stance. Take for example the countless (ok not countless there is a number) votes to repeal the affordable health care act. Easy votes to cast when you know its dead in the water and a sudden problem when it might move forward. I don't intend to discuss the merits of that particular legislation its just a good example
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March 1, 2018, 08:43 AM | #38 | |
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This. On another note, are there any other examples, other than the Lautenberg Amendment, where someone can lose a Constitutional right for life because of a misdemeanor? |
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March 2, 2018, 06:08 AM | #39 |
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And now we hear he had a meeting with NRA and "all is well now".
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March 2, 2018, 07:01 AM | #40 | |
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...g-purge-233736 http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...s-draining-the https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.aa7c55ddf1b3 |
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March 2, 2018, 08:05 AM | #41 |
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You realize that all three of those stories aren’t about lobbying per se; but about limiting the rotating door system between lobbyists and bureaucracies. Nothing in that article has anything to do with the way the NRA does business.
NRA isn’t hiring top leaders of ATF straight from the agency to come work for them. They aren’t paying seven figure “show up” salaries to disgraced ex-DoJ attorneys who fell on their swords to protect the higher ups during the scandal du jour. NRA isn’t being asked to send over big donors to staff White House positions. So in what way is getting rid of the NRA “draining the swamp” in your view? There is a big difference between “there should be no money or lobbying in politics” and “money and lobbying should be transparent to the point an ordinary voter understand what is going on.” Not to mention the necessary underlying assumption that it is the money that gives NRA its power is wrong. |
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Aguila Blanca is right, be proactive. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ Complacency sucks, and we would deserve what we would gain or lose as a result of it. Just don't lose sight of the fact that this guy has very deliberately had a whole lot of people behaving like a bunch of baby chicks in a pen, all chasing the same grasshopper... the one that he threw in the pen.
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March 4, 2018, 02:41 AM | #43 |
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Compromise to us would be we get something in return, Compromise to them is taking some and not all.
Right now they are bold cause they feel like they have the upper hand.. their time has come.. did you see how giddy Di-Fi got when trump said something about putting in some of the stuff she wanted into a bill. I honestly thought she was gonna wet her self. That's how politics work.. The side on the loosing end complains about no middle ground, no compromise. But once the shoe is on the other foot they employ the same behavior they decry. It's all about power.. no one who has it wants to share it. So they're gonna try to take the whole pie.. They think they can.. I would suggest the same no compromise stance for our side of things.. cause every day their power wave wains and they'll have to wait to get their next "fix". Their power peaks with fresh blood but it wears off as fast as it cools. Time is their enemy, But we keep them at bay (and sometimes not even then) only cause many of us will become single issue voters when necessary. .. When that falls apart we really will be in trouble. |
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As an NFA machine gun collector and enthusiast, every time I hear of a “no grandfathering” clause, I swallow my drink extra hard.
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