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March 27, 2017, 05:31 AM | #26 |
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Contacting the president could not hurt although I might put more hope in principled Constitutionalists in Congress to get the ball rolling.
I don't necessarily have a problem with GFSZs but the 1000 ft extension past school grounds seems ludicrous and arbitrary. It is undoubtedly broken an incredible number of times every day by otherwise lawful people going about their business. If the best we can say about a law is that it shouldn't be and rarely will be enforced, there is something wrong with that law. If the offense were a lesser crime, I wouldn't worry much about it. A felony is a life changer though. |
March 27, 2017, 08:34 AM | #27 | |
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Start making contact with your legislators to get this Bill passed. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...e-bill/34/text |
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Of course, that's useless if a shooter enters the building. As we here all know, the problem with criminals is that the rascals just don't ... obey ... the ... laws. Hence, to repeat an oft-repeated truth, the only thing these laws accomplishes is to disarm the people who aren't the problem in the first place. Look at how many laws were broken at Sandy Hook Elementary School. I think one article at the time cited eighteen laws broken. How much MORE illegal could anything possibly have been, and yet the shooter nonetheless killed 22 children, two administrators, and at least one teacher. (IIRC) Quote:
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The simplest fix, other than removing the law entirely is to remove the 1,000ft rule, and simply have it read "on school property". Since there has been no rash of school shootings (or even any???) from OFF school property, aimed at people ON school property, let alone from more than 1,000 feet off school property, I would think this would have the least objection, and it avoids the requirement of ANY permit. While I believe every state should recognize every other states permits & licenses, I am against the idea of a national carry "order", law, or permit system, as currently proposed. Simply put, I see no way any "top down" system will not violate someone's rights.
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March 28, 2017, 08:28 AM | #31 |
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March 28, 2017, 08:40 AM | #32 | |
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I suspect the main problem is that a lot of people basically try to impose what they think a law should say in place of what it actually says. |
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March 28, 2017, 09:57 AM | #33 | |
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How many times in your life have you had someone explain to you how what something says is different from what it means?? When the highest official in the land argues about the meaning of the word "is", is it any wonder? My personal gripe, the one I run into most often is people asking me to verify information. Then, they won't give me the information to verify, they expect me to just provide it to them. That's not what verify means, but they can't seem to understand that.
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March 28, 2017, 11:42 AM | #35 |
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Back in the Vietnam era, there were two books that addressed this, aimed particularly at government double-speak and obfuscation (often caused by people with small minds attempting to sound intelligent by using words that were too large to fit into their vocabularies). The books were Strictly Speaking and A Civil Tongue, both by Edwin Newman.
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March 28, 2017, 05:21 PM | #36 |
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There has been a court ruling back in the late 1990s that ruled public streets and state and federal highways were exempt from any school zone they passed through. The case was brought about because of a man who lived within the 1,000 feet of a school and was a avid shooter at a range away from his home which he would travel to.
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March 30, 2017, 02:24 AM | #37 | |
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So as a general rule, without a citation the case doesn't exist.
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March 30, 2017, 05:13 AM | #38 |
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Seems like my reply from last night disappeared.
Yeah, the case as described doesn't sound right. If there is a right to carry a gun loaded and readily accessible, it would probably not be for the purpose of traveling to a shooting range. Some states are more likely to convict or even prosecute than others and maybe that is part of the process of changing this law. But at this point the law still stands regardless of whether individuals "caught a break". |
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The case that tony pasley and random guy were thinking of, was US v Lopez. Decided in 1995.
The case struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, 18 U.S.C. § 922(q), as an overreach of the commerce clause. After the case was decided, the Congress revised the law to include the necessary "hooks" the Court said were lacking. No conviction under the revised law has been overturned. |
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March 30, 2017, 02:11 PM | #41 |
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Tony Pasley referred to a case hinging on public streets and highways running through a school zone. Lopez involved a high school student who was busted with a handgun ON school prperty. That case didn't involve a discussion of roads and streets running through the zone.
I hope Mr. Pasley will come back and identify the case he had in mind. |
March 30, 2017, 05:13 PM | #42 |
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Lopez was indeed the case that I referred to in my deleted post from last night but it is obviously nothing like the case Tony describes.
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