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Even if he did use a .17WSM, penetration is the key, and a 17-20 grain bullet would likely go "poof" on contact at that speed (I know a 130 grain soft point will), leaving a nasty surface wound ..... and the guy trying to get some calorieswill end up expending a lot of them chasing a wounded animal. Dumb idea .....both of them. |
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wouldn't the best "survival caliber" be the one you are most likely to find on other persons?
I'm thinking 9mm would be a good choice? if your survival depends on taking down wild game for food then its whatever tool you have to do it with. But I certainly would never hunt deer with a .17, 22lr, or 9mm. The idea of a survival gun is over-rated, I would pick something for better suited for self defense and learn to hunt other ways conserving ammo as much as possible.
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I've seen your posts in several threads.....
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I'm a huge fan of the 17hmr. I think it outshines 22s in almost every catagory. But in this case, I would definitely take a 22mag over a 17hmr. !7s have poor penetration against bone. My one question for you would be.. Do you really think in a survival situation, you're going to be shooting deer? Id be consentrating on birds in which case the 17 is perfectly suited.
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Bring enough gun. .17 is not enough gun.
It's also illegal to hunt deer in Oregon with the .17 I'm sure that is the case in other states as well. Bad idea. If we are considering survival.......22 is far more common and available. Centerfire calibers can be reloaded. With regard to compact, accurate small caliber firepower. I would prefer to have my Walther G22 over a .17 HMR revolver in a "survival scenario".
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I'm sure if your starving to death due to some disastrous situation, or in the case of civilization collapsing...your number one worry will be to make sure you are complying with state conservation caliber laws....
Just a thought running through the heads of three overworked board guys on lunch break. Put down the phones, no one is hunting deer with a .17hmr. Hey...lets jump to a more realistic subject that everyone seems to be on board with happening over the other subject and wont shut up about....can a .17hmr take down a zombie? Or how much more are my P-mags and glock 26 worth now? Question asked.... good feed back both ways.... traditional but hurt.... Mods close please and good night |
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My question is if you had the time to plan ahead for such a survival situation why would you pick a .17?
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17 HMR is a great survival cartridge (rifle or handgun)
It is better to compare it to the 22LR than the 22 Magnum. The 20 grain 17 HMR loading would be great for piercing deer sculls or even taking shots through the ribs (more risky but still doable).
Body shots on rabbits and squirrels with the 20 grain load just make a pencil size hole through the animal; the 17 grain ballistic tip destroys too much meat on small game body shots. It easily is twice as accurate as the 22 LR thus making it easier to hit your target. In short, in every way but cost it is a much more updated rimefire cartridge than the 22LR and would be nice in an over-under 17HMR/410 (for example the Savage Model 42). The 22 Magnum would have the advantage over the 17 HRM because of the heavier and faster 40 grain bullet will give you more penetration. If I was going to be in a survival situation for less than two months I would go with the 17 HMR. For more than two months I would choose the 22LR because of the lower cost of ammunition. |
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Ads long as you are talking about the Single Six I would suggest getting the one with the 22LR and 22 Mag cylinders. If I was to take it with me in it's "Survival Option" mode I would go with the magnum cylinder.
As far as supply of ammo goes, run down to Wal-Mart today and buy a couple/half dozen boxes of ammo and you should be good to go. Any one who waits for the day after the shtf day to look for ammo is probably going to be out of luck anyway. Stock up now for whatever caliber you plan to depend on in the future. |
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Oh I'm stocked...I make sure of that
Koda: I understand what you mean. But I was taking about UN-planed if it was the only thing you had. I also understand this could be a confusing thread, but I see WAY more silly threads posted, so I didn't see the harm in asking. Honestly, if disaster really struck....and I had to grab a bug out bag and go...I'd probably be reaching for my 30-30, or maybe one of the ARs. This was just something I posted to simply ask "would it do the job", silly I know. I do think it odd that some people swear by particular guns or calibers to "carry in the woods" or "around the ranch" to handle anything from rats to badgers...but when asked about using that same thing in an emergency situation...It all changes to "oh no...not that at all...it's completely wrong for that...you need a .458 lott minimum for anything bigger than a muskrat .....oh well. I got my answer. |
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Just a couple of quick thoughts.
In a survival situation I think one would be better served thinking along the lines of small game rather than deer (unless of course it is a survival situation for the entire tribe) as you are not probably going to be in a situation where storing the carcass is very practical. A .22LR makes a lot of sense to me but I would also include a wrist rocket and a couple of extra bands. mike
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