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November 25, 2017, 07:44 PM | #26 |
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I'm still trying to figure out in what universe a woman walking 2 dogs looks like a deer?
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November 25, 2017, 07:49 PM | #27 |
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there are people that cant hit a deer at 100 yards with a rifle, and this moron hits a woman at 200 yards with a pistol? im not buying the story as reported just yet.
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November 25, 2017, 08:21 PM | #28 |
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I don't care what color someone is wearing. People don't look like deer. I don't really see any plausible defense for this. I doubt that woman was crashing through heavy brush holding branches over her head. Probably in an open field. That guy rendering aid to his victim doesn't lessen the severity of his actions.
Also, while I believe this guy should go to jail for his stupidity, what on Earth does his economic standing or the values of property on the street he lives on have to do with any of this?
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November 25, 2017, 08:41 PM | #29 |
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I maybe an idiot and leave a lot of game in the field, but I only shoot game I can clearly identify as meeting the legal definition. Then I only take shots I can hit repeatably. Hitting her in the pelvis would be a huge miss....
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November 25, 2017, 08:59 PM | #31 | |
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The dude killed a lady. Legal shooting hours don't matter, since there is no season on innocent dog walkers. I was addressing the fact that NoSecondBest was snidely replying to another member for statements about legal shooting hours, while being grossly and factually incorrect with his own statements.
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November 25, 2017, 10:01 PM | #32 |
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He should pay with his freedom. I hate the sue happy world we live in. What exactly is the monetary value of a life? Is one worth more than another? Does any amount of money make up for loss of life? I experience alot of inner conflict when the $ signs start flying.
Double Naught, I get what you're saying relating to the legal costs of the aftermath of this senseless shooting.
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November 25, 2017, 10:18 PM | #33 | |
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That's too much common sense for many 'hunters'. Not to mention knowing what's behind the target, remaining stone cold sober while hunting, and following the rules.
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November 25, 2017, 11:30 PM | #34 | |
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November 26, 2017, 02:17 AM | #35 | |
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It is possible that he was legally hunting, until sunset, then on his way out of the woods, spotted what he assumed was a deer, and took a shot. the shot would have been after legal hours, and a violation of law, but he MAY not have been poaching, by intent. Until/unless more information about this becomes public, we simply don't KNOW very much about the details.
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November 26, 2017, 09:07 AM | #36 | |
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Given that poaching is the illegal hunting, killing, capturing, or taking of game in violation of law and given that law enforcement has reported that Jadlowski was hunting illegally after hours and that Jadlowski said he thought he was shooting at a deer, then I don't see how you could call it any other thing than poaching. Intent to be poaching isn't a prerequisite to poaching. What he was doing beforehand really doesn't matter, sort of like if you are driving 55 in a 55 mph zone and having the speed limit drop to 30 and you continue to drive 55 and getting ticketed for it. You can say you didn't have the intent to be speeding, but that doesn't change the fact that you were speeding. Regardless if you just want to call it "hunting illegally after hours" or "poaching," he was still engaging in an illegal act at the time Rosemary Billquist was shot by him.
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November 26, 2017, 09:46 AM | #37 | ||
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As for the " grossly and factually incorrect " statements, I find it common that on these forums, folk's knowledge base of regulations and techniques outside their area is limited. For most folks, until the advent of the internet, unless you actively hunted an area, you generally had no way of really knowing the current local regs unless you had in your possession the local DNR/F&G regulation pamphlet. Now folks can Google local regs(and local home values) in a matter of milliseconds from the comfort of their home. I had to do the same before I knew what was legal in N.Y. Probably forget it in a few days tho, just like I'll forget the value of Trailer Houses in Sherman. Quote:
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November 26, 2017, 09:48 AM | #38 | |
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November 26, 2017, 10:03 AM | #39 |
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Upon "Googling" farther I discovered that the gun used was a "single shot handgun" which tells me it was probably a T.C. configuration in a rifle caliber, which makes for a 200 yard shot. According to the reports, the bullet went thru her pelvis and then continued out her back.....something most difficult for most straight-walled handgun cartridges after going 200 yards. A picture of the crime scene shows there was snow on the ground, making seeing a dark object moving in the distance easier, while still being difficult at best to identify. I'd bet, that the shooter knew there was a good chance of deer coming to the area after dark(since he was a neighbor of the victim) and was hoping the snow on the ground would assist him in taking a deer after hours. IMHO, poachers and those folks that "bend" the rules, especially those that shoot/hunt before and after legal hours do it more than once during their hunting career.
I know recently, many states have made handguns legal for hunting in areas where rifles have been restricted for safety reasons. I understand with dwindling hunter numbers and increasing deer herds in many areas, the principle behind it. Still, a long barreled handgun shooting a bottle-neck rifle cartridge is not any safer, IMHO, than shooting it in a short barreled carbine. |
November 26, 2017, 09:32 PM | #40 |
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YRGBSM....
great-outdoors/2017/11/26/hunter-shoots-[/url]pickup-truck-after-mistaking-it-for-deer http://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoor...olice-say.html Connection to this string ? Same western NY area. |
November 26, 2017, 10:17 PM | #41 |
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Coincidence. The shooter of the deer truck was from Ohio, not a local. He did manage to kill the truck. Also like Jadlowski, he was hunting illegally as he shot across a roadway. He poached the truck he misidentified as a deer. Strangely, the brown truck was not wearing hunter orange at the time it was shot.
The hunter was charged with reckless endangerment and discharging a firearm across a roadway. http://www.erienewsnow.com/story/369...utauqua-county
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The shooter better have the book thrown at him in this case. First of all, by not abiding by legal shooting times and distances, he is already putting the public in peril. And what he did was absolutely unacceptable, no matter what time of day it was. I have shot competitively on terrain where there are a lot of vegetation cover and obstructions as well as fog and wind (handicap modes) and I sure can still tell the difference between targets, animals, plants and other things at extended ranges. If I can't tell, well, there is a thing called "Range is COLD" while we wait for the situation to clear.
This "I thought him/her/it was a deer" is getting REALLY old and is making me seriously angry. It is about time we start making an example out of those who are blatantly endangering the public due to their lack of regard for basic safety and common sense. Quote:
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https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...t=vang+hunters Vang was convicted, BTW.
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November 30, 2017, 07:26 PM | #44 |
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This happened about 35 miles from me, and it was on the local news tonight that he has been charged with manslaughter.
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http://www.post-journal.com/news/pag...ting-accident/
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That's second degree manslaughter, not murder, DNS -- a lesser charge by quite a bit.
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November 30, 2017, 10:58 PM | #47 |
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Thanks, I will change my post.
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December 1, 2017, 05:43 PM | #48 |
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Time of day , how dark or light is irrelevant, he violated rule #1 of hunting safety ...make sure of your target. If it was high noon and in broad daylight you have to be sure of what you're shooting.
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It may be very relevant when it comes to his sentencing, particularly that he was breaking the law at the time.
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IF it is believed... In reality, there are only two possibilities, he intended to shoot a person, in which case it is some degree of murder, or he did not intend to shoot a person, but did, in which case, it's some degree of manslaughter. and it seems the authorities are going with a manslaughter charge.
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