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December 23, 2012, 02:55 PM | #26 | |
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December 23, 2012, 04:41 PM | #27 |
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She needs to shoot more. I have seen women that size rock and roll with 40 S&W guns.
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December 23, 2012, 04:46 PM | #28 | |
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When they end up not working, the fad passes until someone "discovers" them all over again a few years later. Heck, here alone at this forum, they've been "discovered" a couple, maybe three times in the 14 years I've been a member... |
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December 23, 2012, 08:28 PM | #29 | |
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No matter how light of a powder charge (2.7 Bullseye) you put under a 148 grain wadcutter, it will recoil noticeable more than 2.7 grains of Bullseye under a 125 grain cast bullet. I use that load for most of my double action shooting. If she is going to carry for defense, when she is comfortable shooting the light loads she can carry something that would perform better in that capacity. |
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December 25, 2012, 02:08 AM | #30 | |
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In my S&W 36 w/a 1.875" barrel, I load a cast 148gr BNWCFB with 3.5 of Bullseye. I can load these at a low cost and I can afford to practice with what I carry. I do likewise with LSWC.
For this cartridge in a short barreled format I bank on penetration and accuracy. |
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I'm not defending LRN, but obviously wadcutters in most cases will perform better for SD. TBS, LRN can still penetrate and distort. |
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December 25, 2012, 10:44 AM | #34 |
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For my wife's powderpuff loads, I use the Hornady swaged lead hollowpoint over 2.7 grains of Bullseye for about 650 fps from a 2" revolver. It's light enough for her to shoot easily, and I feel like the combination of the hollowpoint and the sharp shoulder will probably do just fine if she ever needs to use the load. If I need something a little stouter, 4.3 grains of Unique will push that same bullet to 780 fps.
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Yes it is possible for a LRN to penetrate and distort, and it is possible to win the lottery.
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I think that a 148gr DEWC hardcast over a stout charge of unique does a good job of emulating HSM bear loads for a .38 special. A 148GR HOLLOWBASE wadcutter over a target load is what I shoot out of my Detective Special, to save a little for the next guy! They are positively gentle.
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December 25, 2012, 03:44 PM | #37 | |
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December 25, 2012, 07:48 PM | #38 |
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What does this mean?
What is a 'DEWC' ? Blank Blank wadcutter....
What is a, ''BNWCFB'' ? bevel nose wadcutter flat base, maybe ?????? These terms were ranked 3 and 4 with Google, but with no clear definition that I could see. Maybe next time I'll open both eyes. |
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My wife is 5'6" @ 124 pounds. Her favorite pistol to target shoot with is either the 5" Kimber 45 or the '73s in 45 Colt. She didn't start out that way, we just worked up from a .17hmr till we got there.
But on topic my buddy shot some .38 special WCs he backwards loaded out of a 6" python....lord did they make a mess of anything they hit, and only felt like shooting a .22 mag or .25 auto. Seems I remember the great Mr taffin doing a test the same way with backwards loaded HBWCs either in .44 special or .45 Colt. Shot of the little lady getting some range time with her CCW of choice Glock 26, in mid cycle feeding 110gr Corbon +p. Note the 4 3/4" SAA in .45 colt on the shooting table. She's quite dangerous with both out to and a little past 20yards too Last edited by BerdanSS; December 25, 2012 at 08:16 PM. |
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December 25, 2012, 09:44 PM | #41 | |
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This is a BB or beveled base. I am having trouble finding the FB(flat base) or aka PB(plain base) in the button nose wc design most are BB. |
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December 25, 2012, 11:34 PM | #43 | |
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Early, in the worst shoot-out the FBI ever had, an Agent shot a Creep in the ribcage with a 9mm from a short distance. The bullet, while on the correct target path and with sufficient velocity, deformed and stopped before the bullet traveled thru to the Creep's vitals. Said Creep continued his attack despite soaking-up his new less than lethal gunshot wound to his chest. The official FBI shooting review concluded that had 9mm been loaded with a bullet capable of decent penetration the Creep most likely would not have had the energy to kill, and injure, multiple Agents, shortly after the intial hit. Reflecting on the tone from your request for this 25 year old open-source information, I am certain that others, whom may know more about the Dade County Shooting than me, will gladly fill in the details if you so desire. Last edited by warningshot; December 25, 2012 at 11:57 PM. |
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December 26, 2012, 12:03 AM | #44 | |
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As for your last comment, I know all about the shooting. I simply couldnt believe that anyone would translate that to a solid bullet at 18bhn(hardcast) would be any better than one at 8bhn. Hardcast vs softer lead isnt that kind of issue. Better load is the issue. By your standard everyone carrying a 9mm better not carry HP ammo, there is a chance it would expand and not penetrate deep enough. |
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Keep in mind that most of the better reports on full wadcutter .38 specials involve bullets traveling around 800 fps and not the 600 fps the OP preferred. The late Stephen Camp firmly believed that the light target wadcutters were not the defensive round some believed they were -- http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Feedingthe38Snub.htm. Now, if you do get a full wadcutter traveling at 800 fps (especially harder lead), then you've got a decent defense load. Of course, to accomplish that would probably cause more recoil than the Speer 135 gr. Gold Dots for short barreled guns which is about the best load for a .38 snubby IMO.
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Hello KyJim
After you deliver 800 fps of 158 grain hardcast lead payload to the intended target, Penetration Disappointment probably will not be a topic of too much concern.
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December 26, 2012, 02:05 AM | #49 | |
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You also know damned good and well what I meant so using the phrase "explain that to the families" makes you look foolish. Thats about as asinine as the anti-gunners that say that when screaming for an AWB. Learn more about bullets and you may get somewhere. The hardness of the bullet isnt the issue. Its the load involved. If there isnt enough power to push an expanding bullet through tissue then its not a good load. Any underpowered load with an expanding bullet will either not expand or expand and not penetrate enough. I gotta go, I dropped some soft lead bullets on the floor and they flattened out like pancakes and got stuck in the carpet, dont want my wife to find them. Anyone know what gets soft flattened out lead of carpet? |
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